Posted On: Tuesday - September 16th 2025 8:28PM MST
In Topics: Media Stupidity alt-right/MAGA ctrl-left
Who done it? That's only part of the story. Obviously it matters, as just as if we'd ever find out the whole story about JFK, we'd like to find out who the real enemy has been.
There are lots of reasons to believe that a (probably drug-influenced), internet-based, crazy transgender freak did it on his own. We've seen multiple examples of mass murders of school children by trannies, with no politics involved, just in the last month.
Steve Sailer put his reputation for not making predictions* on the line by writing that this is all he thinks this was about. 2 days back, he wrote Charlie Kirk Was Assassinated by the Transgender Movement with the sub-headline: "I've been urging caution about speculating, but the facts seem clear today."** Mr. Sailer does have a vested interest in this trannie business, as one prediction he did make, years ago, that this transexual thing would become the next big woke movement, was amazingly right on the money! Yes, quit while you're ahead, as I did at the Reno airport years ago - I won a dollar off a quarter in a one-armed bandit and quit right then and there.
OTOH, we have plenty of video evidence of Charlie Kirk's recent changing of his stance regarding supporting all things Israel. That was indeed a major move, as his Turning Point movement is based on Evangelical Christianity. For a 31 year old young man, it took a lot of guts to seek some truth that went against the grain. More importantly, it would have gone against the grain for some of his big sponsors, from what I've read. If Charlie Kirk, with so much influence with the young people, was going off script here, I can see that some of the pros might have wanted to stop him cold ... dead.
Of course, Ron Unz, he of The Unz Review a site with interesting, controversial often strange, often stupid, viewpoints with THE best commenting system in the known world, would be sure it was the Mossad. Mr. Unz too has a vested interest here, as anyone whose read his and his headline writer's material could attest. His latest, not as long as some of his articles, is here. Charlie Kirk had turned away from complete support of all things Israel recently. For his Turning Point movement, based on Evangelical Christianity, that was a bold move. At 31 years old, he was doing more truth-seeking than one would expect. Some of his bigger sponsors might not have expected this either. I can see why the idea that it was the pros behind this is a theory with widespread support.
I will include here a very reasonable opposing viewpoint, contrasting the assassination of JFK vs Charlie Kirk. Under that UR thread, one Giwu Ger wrote:
I think it is safe to say, given Kirk’s over a decade-long subservience to the zionist cause that the “holy state” doesn’t shoot from the hip quite that fast. Kirk was, after all a valuable asset (!) who happened to disagree with the POTUZ (potentate of the united zionist cause) for a couple of weeks.The thread of replies to this were also reasonable and sane... kind of surprising for that site.
Most of us here are on the same page regarding Israel.
But are we really equating John Fitzgerald Kennedy with an influencer? The American president could have easily ended the young state’s imperial ambitions by repatriating Palestinians while prying the atomic weapon from Ben-Gurion’s claws.
Are we really implying the zionists are now handing out Stalinesque kill-orders willy nilly for what amounts to slight ideological disagreement?
Now, that was a long introduction to what I wanted to write about here. America and lots of the world would like to know what this was about.
In the first 2 Peak Stupidity posts on this important happening, Fourth Turning Poin and Two Martyrs?, we only alluded to how big a deal Charlie Kirk was to young Conservatives. I've talked to a 25 y/o guy since then who's told me how big a deal this is to his crowd. It IS like the MLK assassination was for 1960s blacks, ... well, except that these mourners won't burn down cities and ask for more money from the Government.
Charlie Kirk could have won the '24 election for President Trump due to his huge influence on these young people. (This is probably part of why Trump is taking this particularly hard and lashing out.)
I know, he's just a writer of suspense/horror novels. What he says here shouldn't mean a hill of beans to begin with.
However, after the fact, it's been the reaction by the ctrl-left that has been a big story too. Many of them are not just privately glad Charlie Kirk, with his major influence against them, was killed, but they have been openly celebrating. Surprising, for both them, and me too, they are being ostracized, boycotted, and fired this time around. That is new. That is part of the effect on the nation from this assassination.
The problem for those few sane people of the ctrl-left is that they cannot contain the emotions of their useful idiots. The latter have gotten used to disparaging Conservatives and especially Christians in rude, vile ways with no consequence.
Don't get me wrong here. I am not down with President Trump's emotional unprincipled anti-1st Amendment suggestions. He needs to get ahold of himself. People getting fired for celebrating this murder should have that Constitutional right to keep on with that, but Conservatives are angry, and I have seen personally that the corporate big cheeses are warning people to stop or they will be fired. This is unprecedented, as normally it's been a one-way street. Right now, 5 years and a summer after the OD of the reprobate Floyd, try saying just that in a tweet to other employees, and see where ... better update your Link-in account.
Because Charlie Kirk is something of a martyr at this point, like him or not, Conservatives have the moral upper hand. Though the two theories from the two pundits discussed above are the most obvious and make the most sense, I won't speculate right now on who was behind this assassination. No matter who, though, the ctrl-left have drawn fire on themselves by their callousness about Charlie Kirk.
I have no memories of it all, but something tells me those race realists of the right in 1968 were more careful about their responses to the assassination of that other guy... as much as there was plenty to criticize.
Now, I should bring up something from an old post here - Speaking Dead of the Ill - re Juan McAmnesty - that makes Peak Stupidity sound hypocritical. Here's the main point:
I was commenting on a different website about the death of Ted Kennedy way back in 2009. I got in a long back and forth discussion with a lady who was scolding me for saying I was glad he had finally died (and a few things ruder than that, of course). It came down to one thing, I finally summed up to her – really simple – Ted Kennedy was still in the US Senate when he died. He also had been, and still was, very bad for our country.That was harsh, I guess. However, there are 2 factors that make this non-analogous to what the ctrl-left has been doing. One big difference here is that these two weren't murdered. They both died naturally at an old age, and, well, that, and only that, got them out of the Senate. Yes, I was glad both times. I didn't send celebratory tweets out, but then I don't tweet.
Had he been retired at the time, well dying is a sad thing, and it would have been something to just remark on – I may have still spoken ill of the dead, because his whole life was kind of something to make one ill. I would not have written “I’m glad he died .”, though. However he was a US Senator till the end, and if his dying was the only way we could have Ted Kennedy gone from the Senate, then, hell yeah I was glad he died! That's what it came down to.
Imagine if Charlie Kirk were in a position of power in the government, making laws against those poor trannies or what-have-you. To be fair, if the trannie coalition celebrated, that'd be only fair, IF he died naturally. Assassinations are a different animal. He was not in power though, anyway. Charlie Kirk had been traveling to left-wing, aka ALL, college campuses for a decade, calmly debating the stupidity of the ctrl-left. I guess that wouldn't do... for somebody.
* He's stated many times that he doesn't like making predictions. 6 days ago, in this post he said "Lots of people blamed JFK's assassination on the "climate of hate" among conservative Texans. So, don't jump to conclusions." My bolding. I do take issue with something else in this post - later this week...
** He's got another post up today, Yeah, The Murder Was Likely Trans Terrorism, which is paywalled, but from what I see, he's not getting into anything more that the transgender movement behind the one guy. Sub-headline for this one: "On the other hand, don't overestimate how big of an operation this had to be."
And another one! I'd started this post in the morning but had to quit. In the meantime Steve Sailer has yet another post, Trans Terrorism Killed Charlie Kirk. He's really into this.
Comments:
Moderator
Wednesday - September 17th 2025 5:33PM MST
PS: I read your/Mr. Spencer's comment/post there already, Mr. Hail. Mr. Unz is not down with his take on the matter, though Mr. Spencer doesn't sound so sure - he's just speculating. Mr. Unz is the one that does the speculatin' round those parts!
Yep, we Sailer commenters are still going pretty strong. I noticed, because Ron Unz is doing them in parallel now, that Mr. Sailer gets generally 75% to 100% more comments than the "Russian Reaction" blog, aka Antoly Karlin(?) Kommunity just below. Then, too, it's in the many hundreds for the Karlin commenter threads, as it must have been a number of years since the O/P quit writing there. That's pretty good too. It's not a bad idea, hosting a number of threads monthly (I'd rather see bi-weekly or even weekly) of various such communities. It costs nothing once set up, and those commenters may poke around the rest of the site and see that stuff by the nutballs, etc.
I should bring it up in the Bugs & Suggestions thread to Mr. Unz.
Yep, we Sailer commenters are still going pretty strong. I noticed, because Ron Unz is doing them in parallel now, that Mr. Sailer gets generally 75% to 100% more comments than the "Russian Reaction" blog, aka Antoly Karlin(?) Kommunity just below. Then, too, it's in the many hundreds for the Karlin commenter threads, as it must have been a number of years since the O/P quit writing there. That's pretty good too. It's not a bad idea, hosting a number of threads monthly (I'd rather see bi-weekly or even weekly) of various such communities. It costs nothing once set up, and those commenters may poke around the rest of the site and see that stuff by the nutballs, etc.
I should bring it up in the Bugs & Suggestions thread to Mr. Unz.
Hail
Wednesday - September 17th 2025 3:58PM MST
PS
(The now-Sailerless "I-Steve Community" discussion-threads have gotten 15,000 comments since the first was created in March 2025. That's 70/day over 7 months and running. However, site-owner Ron Unz doesn't really give it any publicity and locks it away in a hard-to-find place. The threads are no longer findable through the main Sailer author page.)
(The now-Sailerless "I-Steve Community" discussion-threads have gotten 15,000 comments since the first was created in March 2025. That's 70/day over 7 months and running. However, site-owner Ron Unz doesn't really give it any publicity and locks it away in a hard-to-find place. The threads are no longer findable through the main Sailer author page.)
Hail
Wednesday - September 17th 2025 3:55PM MST
PS
possumman wrote: "Unz Review is a hoot...nutballs and conspiracy weirdos"
It has always been true that the section now titled "The I-Steve Community" is the best.
https://www.unz.com/author/isteve-community/
There are a few annoying figures there, too -- trolls and time-wasters -- but at a much lower rate than almost everywhere else on the site.
possumman wrote: "Unz Review is a hoot...nutballs and conspiracy weirdos"
It has always been true that the section now titled "The I-Steve Community" is the best.
https://www.unz.com/author/isteve-community/
There are a few annoying figures there, too -- trolls and time-wasters -- but at a much lower rate than almost everywhere else on the site.
Hail
Wednesday - September 17th 2025 3:53PM MST
PS
No time to comment now but -- see a 1500-word commentary by Richard Spencer I adapted to text and posted today.
Titled "Why Israel did NOT kill Charlie Kirk":
https://www.unz.com/runz/the-assassination-of-charlie-kirk/#comment-7304795
No time to comment now but -- see a 1500-word commentary by Richard Spencer I adapted to text and posted today.
Titled "Why Israel did NOT kill Charlie Kirk":
https://www.unz.com/runz/the-assassination-of-charlie-kirk/#comment-7304795
Moderator
Wednesday - September 17th 2025 12:55PM MST
PS: It's also extremely pro-China, in a way that makes me wonder whether Ron Unz just has that yellow fever. I think he should spend a year there and report back to us. With that 140 C IQ, I imagine the guy could even learn Mandarin (at least speaking and listening).
Paul Kersey has gotten better. As much as it was all truthful, it used to be very repetitive, IMO, over and over stories about black preachers starting "stop the killing movements" which then have events at which black people shoot each other. In a recent post, he mentioned his girl friend's (not necessarily girlfriend, I dunno) who got killed in Atlanta by black men.
It's interesting that James Kirkpatrick, ex-VDare writer, who I hadn't know was also Greg Hood of American Renaissance, has become comfortable using his real name Kevin Deanna (or something like that.) It might get a little confusing for readers/viewers.
Anyway, yeah, agreed on TUR.
Paul Kersey has gotten better. As much as it was all truthful, it used to be very repetitive, IMO, over and over stories about black preachers starting "stop the killing movements" which then have events at which black people shoot each other. In a recent post, he mentioned his girl friend's (not necessarily girlfriend, I dunno) who got killed in Atlanta by black men.
It's interesting that James Kirkpatrick, ex-VDare writer, who I hadn't know was also Greg Hood of American Renaissance, has become comfortable using his real name Kevin Deanna (or something like that.) It might get a little confusing for readers/viewers.
Anyway, yeah, agreed on TUR.
possumman
Wednesday - September 17th 2025 10:26AM MST
PS. Unz Review is a hoot. Full of antisemitic nutballs and conspiracy weirdos and an occasional interesting post not written by a nutball or weirdo. I read it primarily for the Paul Kersey blog is almost always interesting and on point.
Right, I even brought that up in the Bugs & Suggestions thread, but no reply came to me yet. I noted that one had to know a tiny bit, and must doctor up the URL, in order to get to an older thread.