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(See PS Entry 3344 for what I've learned about the man arrested, Tyler Robinson)

PS: Amazing, about that book written by AI. I guess you one can plagiarize it at will then.

Thanks for the info., Mr. Hail. One guy, J. Ross, on the #11 SS thread has kept us up on this pretty well.

That 4-Chan guy's theory sounds good, but we'll see I guess.

PS: "I find it odd that they are calling this murder/killing an assassination. I also find it odd (perhaps unprecedented?) to lower the flag to half mast for Charlie Kirk."

By the definition I found, it sounds reasonable, but the term usual applies to politicians, as in office-holders, I guess. As for the flags at half-mast, I'm also not sure that's Trump's call (but whatever, these days), and also, what I wrote on TUR (also had a post about the flags a half mast long ago):

"... the American flag is at half mast so much of the time, that we really ought to just cut off the upper portions of flag poles and recycle them.

Last I saw 2 places last week, it was at half mast already. I didn’t even bother to ask why this time."

Here it is: "I'd thought we'd bid Farewell to Kings"

https://www.peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=889

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Chatter now has it that the shooter is a Trans male resident in Utah named SKYE VALADEZ, an "outcast," angrily political, and an amateur musician similar in general type to that guy who shot up the Fourth of July parade in Illinois a few years ago, Cremo.

Skye Valadez supposedly uploaded a music track titled "Charlie Kirk Dead at 31" a few weeks ago.

A number of streams of evidence seem to align onto this guy, including visual similarity. But, then, it's Internet-chatter, so who knows...

Here is somebody's theory that Skye Valadez was used by "professionals" in some kind of intelligence-terror operation.

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Disgraced Propagandist
@DisgracedProp

posted 3h45m ago (as of this writing)

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My current prediction:

- Charlie Kirk’s killer is Skye Valadez, correctly identified by 4chan.

- he’s an outcast, a trans amateur patsy tapped by professionals*. This is typical in intelligence or terrorist operations.

- the professionals trained him and gave him the plan.

- These handlers provided him the hope of escape by telling him to take the rifle with him after the shot, and drop it in a location where it would be retrieved. This explains why he takes the gun off the roof with him instead of leaving it. Also, as others have noted, he jumps and lands off the roof in such a way to suggest that he’s not a professional.

- his handlers told him to run to either a meetup point for pick up or to his own car and “come home”, ie meet them in a safe zone somewhere. This is why he appears to be running so fast afterwards versus ditching the gun and trying to blend in—they’ve instructed him that if he moves quickly enough he’ll stay ahead of the crowds, which he just barely does.

- however, his handlers never picked up the gun. this tells me they completely used him. It also tells me they’ll probably kill him.

- if he turns up dead “by suicide” in a campsite in the forest or a field somewhere in the next few days, I think this will be very strong evidence that my theory is correct. It will be a perfectly executed professional assassination. Extremely minimal likelihood of finding out more.

*the handlers are probably a splinter unit of only 2-3 people with access to funds and training that has broken off from the mainstream leftist activist networks or intelligence. I’d bet it’s the same network that almost pulled off the nearly identical assassination of Trump also via an outcast young man with similar bona fides and odd unexplained connections to power and no social media.

(end quote by "Disgraced Propagandist")

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The consensus seems to be the book was published on September 10, created entirely using an LLM, and back-dated to September 9 by the uploader.

Someone spent a short while asking an LLM to write a plausible fiction story about the shooting of Charlie Kirk. AI-written books I believe are banned (should be banned) on Amazon, which may be why it was removed.

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"The Shooting of Charlie Kirk by Anastasia J Casey"

Assuming that is a real book released September 9th US time, and assuming the author is not a real person, what could the initials A J C (or A J K C) mean?

PS: The Shooting of Charlie Kirk by Anastasia J Casey removed from amazon...

https://archive.is/uwv2J

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-is-anastasia-j-casey-mysterious-book-titled-the-shooting-of-charlie-kirk-raises-questions-101757618465687.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/the-shooting-of-charlie-kirk-mysterious-book-on-trump-allys-murder-surfaces-online-published-day-before-attack/articleshow/123838352.cms

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PS: Good evening, everyone...

I find it odd that they are calling this murder/killing an assassination. I also find it odd (perhaps unprecedented?) to lower the flag to half mast for Charlie Kirk.

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I was torn between the trigger puller being an employee of Ukraine or Mossad. The “tranifa” paraphanelia left behind seems like the misdirection one might get from Mossad. The Ukies are more ham-handed.

The Kirk hit by an alleged “tranifa” plus the butchery of Iryna by a Schwarzer are most likely moves to light off the fireworks that will be used to take us places to where we really do not want to go, figuratively and literally.

Charlie, like Thunberg and Hogg, took the ticket, but made the mistake of not sticking 100% to the approved narratives.

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The latest report says material connected to the Kirk shooter was found with anti-fascism and pro-transgender slogans. It seemed specifically he had written those slogans on gun and/or bullets.

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On the case of the murder of the Ukrainian 23-year-old girl killed in Charlotte: "'She should not have gone through that...neighborhood any time of day...'. 'Oh, you're blaming her!'. No, it's analysis and warnings to others."

There is at least big-obvious thing that people don't say about the case, which is not victim-blaming but does implicate a large bulk of White Americans:

There is no way a mentally-sane White female of her age, if of US origin, would be in that position in such a place in such a time. The Ukrainian had complete situational unawareness because she didn't know Blacks. Mean-sounding, but simple.

Any White American woman, even if she's a Kamala voter and Wokeness-enthusiast -- even if she's a sticker-price buyer of books like "How to be an Anti-Racist" by one of the wash-out Black intellectuals Steve Sailer used to beat up on -- any White American-origin woman will simply know by instinct that this is a bad, bad spot for her to be in, and take measures to get out of it.

Move to a different train-car. Get off the train if necessary. There are all manner of proactive steps to take. And the biggest one of all is, do what's necessary to avoid being alone in places like this in the first place. (The kernel of "White Flight.")

Blacks tolerate degrees of disorder and violence that Whites don't. I could go on. This is unspoken implicit common knowledge among all White Americans. If you ever observe White women in Big-Blue metropolitan areas, the usual feminine double-standard is at work. They don't really believe in race equality, not for themselves and their own bodily safety. But they will say how bad White men and heterosexual family-norms are, in conversation; and how great-cute-cuddly Migrants are, and things like that.

(Standards of truth and rigor are in abeyance in women's talk --- another mean-but-true point; they want to get along, and it's pleasant when it works. They'll vote D but act in ways very much opposed to what the Big D-team spokesmen are saying. This even remained true in the peak-Wokeness era, although maybe slightly less so than before. By 2023 or 2023 it has snapped back to default, if not more, given the surge in crimes during and after the Lockdowns and Race-Panic of 2020. Political-party voting is often merely about signaling.)

PS: SafeNow, agreed about business airline travel. If you have to wait in the World Club, as nice as it is, for 5 hours for your international trip, you're wasting your very valuable time. However, because the airlines long ago - ~25 years for most - have ditch (not literally) the turboprops that carried 19 - 30 people*, the frequency of service could be higher, meaning shorter connections at the hub.

Now, they've ditched (parked in the desert) almost all of the 50 seat regional jets cause no 1st Class. Frequency of service has gone down some more. Anyway, yes, good point. You're gonna miss a few flights, but otherwise you may waste many more hours than that.

As to "blaming the victim", I've gone through this before, but maybe not on this blog. Commenters under Paul Kersey on TUR writing about events such as the murder of Miss Zarutska would confuse blame with warnings or advice.

"She should not have gone through that (NYC) neighborhood any time of day...". "Oh, you're blaming her!". No, it's analysis and warnings to others. Sometimes, it might be blaming but not to the extent they misunderstand it. "I looked her up - she's a big anti-White lefty, so she would not have listened to any family or friends tell her not to go through that neighborhood." That's only blaming her for not listening due to stupid naive political views. It's an explanation and again a warning to others. It's also not saying she DESERVED to die, though it can be put that way, I suppose.

There's something similar I was thinking about regarding Steve Sailer's statements about people having asked if he was a smoker when he had his bout with cancer long ago. More misunderstandings. People asked, not because they wanted to blame him. People want to know that what they do with their bodies does not include things that those they know with cancer might have done. This way, the feel more relieved - oh, that won't happen to me. It's not like, even if Steve had smoked, they are saying "See, you deserve it!"


* Not all of them - some carried as many as the larger regional jet.

PS: Mr. Kief, thanks for writing in. I clicked on your tweet. Regarding Roger Stone, I really look forward to his book on the Reagan assassination attempt. I wrote a post about this 40 years after the fact. (That one shouldn't be too hard to find here - under "Dead/Ex Presidents") Though I remember when it happened, I hadn't know he had come so close to death.

OK, so a "terrorist organization" could include antifa - some of them may well have practiced up. My first speculation is that the orders came from pretty high up.

PS: Mr. Hail, indeed Mr. Kirk has been doing politics his whole adulthood. That's not what I'd call a "real job" either, especially for a family man. However, times have changed. What he did was in person with real people, at least. He made a difference in young people's lives in some way, whether the politics was sound or not.

That is as opposed to those "influencers" on youtube, Tik-Tok and wherever else. Some of these people make a good living at it too, but what a life? Is it a real life at all?

Our boy, sometime in 2nd grade or so, was asked what he wanted to be when he grew up. He told us when he got home that he said "a youtuber". We thought it was the funniest thing, and he's kind of embarrassed about that now. However, I've told him since that there could be a good living to be made USING youtube to teach about one's products or services, or just teach a subject that one knows better than anyone, etc.

Here's a difference between Charlie Kirk and Greta and David Hogg. The latter two were pawns advanced by people with an agenda. Greta had her parents pushing her into this stuff (even letting her do it was wrong), along with the whole Climate Calamity crowd. David Hogg used the tragedy that happened around him to be a pawn for the gun control crowd. He then propelled himself to what, 2nd position in the D party?

Mr. Kirk started Turning Point up on his own, well with one other guy, a pretty ambitious and entrepreneurial feat for an 18 y/o. I agree that Trump's support had got him more famous than he'd otherwise be, so he had to be somewhat beholden to Trump's agenda, even if he weren't completely on the same page.

13.5 years of constant "campaigning" is not something that one did in the past. It's a different time now ...

PS: Good morning, Mr. Smith. I should have written RIP at the bottom, at least. I'll stick that in. No matter what one thinks about his politics, he was a good man, it sounds. It's very hard to hide the bad stuff nowadays, as I'll get into in the next post about Charlie Kirk vs. Martin King as martyrs.

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The stabbing and now this shooting raise the issue of safety precautions. Some might say I am “blaming the victims,” but it is past time to be realistic. Admiral Nimitz, concluding his review of the tragic “Halsey Hurricane,” wrote: “It is foolish to be grudging about safety precautions for fear these might turn out to have been unnecessary.” Specifically: Riding the subway, one should vigilantly observe situational awareness. And public figures like Charlie should wear a bulletproof vest.

Yes, heckuva way to have to live. I understand the opposite argument. There is an old saying: Frequent business travelers should miss a few planes a year. Otherwise, they are spending too much time at airports.

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Biographer Roger Stone - - nit Starr - - wrote this:
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@RogerJStoneJr
I wrote a New York Times best selling book on the Kennedy assassination.

I am finishing a book on the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan and I have studied the two assassination attempts on Donald Trump.

Charlie Kirk was killed by a skilled shooter in a professional hit either by a nation state, rogue elements of our own government or a terrorist organization

This will not stop until they are exposed apprehended, and prosecuted

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May Charlie Kirk rest in peace - he was a good man.

Charlie Kirk made a good interveiw with - the Steve Sailer man - he linked that today on X.

Hi Mod. 'n' all good people - - Robert Barnes: Ccarlie Kirk was on Urkainian Hit-list.

Kennedy- and REagan biographer Starr - linked on X below my Barnes post: This was a professional hit-job

(Stephen King - the shooter "was mentally instable...")

https://x.com/DieterKief/status/1966064800552604005

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This was shocking news. Sad, of course. Troubling, outrageous. Regardless of how one felt about Charlie Kirk.

Observation: the killing elicited saturation coverage from the US media, wall-to-wall, and also hushed tones of silence from the Left. I think the cable news-talk shows covered no other news at all. This was to an interesting degree given that CK was not a political figure himself. One might say it was over-done, because there is obviously other news, and Charlie Kirk was not the president or somebody like that. Something about the killing really spooked them into saturation coverage. (Steve Sailer has pointed out the news pays wildly disproportionate attention to airplane accidents not (just) because they're dramatic, but because the people who produce the elite media are on airplanes so often.)

CK was a social-media personality, or closer to that than anything else. The model he uses to rise to fame was a pre-social-media model, but the end-result during his mid-2010s rise to fame was more-or-less exactly that. In adult life, CK was a political agitator. Activist is the polite was to put it.

Starting already the summer after he graduated high school or so, and until his dying day one month shy of his 32nd birthday, he did nothing but politics and political-party promotionalism. We see a number of others on this path, many of them very-big names: David Hogg, Greta Thunberg. In earlier generations, there was not much of a viable path for people like that to sustain a career in the ways these people have done, CK among them if a bit older. It'd be something you did in brief spurts. The idea of "volunteering for a campaign," which meant less than one year of activity, and then you did normal-work things. Charlie Kirk did it for 13.5 consecutive years. We just accept that this is possible, now, in the age of the social-media influencer and politicized discourse.

I wrote something in one of the Sailer thread, expanding on these thoughts, concluding that the tragic flaw, behind both CK's success and his ultimate assassination, was the Trump 2015-16 moment:

https://www.stevesailer.net/p/charlie-kirk-31-rip/comment/154697704

(I wanted to get those thoughts out, but naturally worried throughout that it would sound insensitive. As he was the target of a political assassination, we should be able to think of the man as more than an individual, as a symbol.)

PS: Good evening, Mr. Moderator...

I have more to say abut this.
But I don't know what to say.

Rip Charlie Kirk...
https://i.ibb.co/cSsvSCNk/RIP-Charlie-Krik.jpg

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