Posted On: Tuesday - June 3rd 2025 7:19PM MST
In Topics: Feminism The Future
I came across the fantastic 36 minute F. Roger Devlin talk below somewhat serendipitously. I'd read Jared Taylor's enthusiastic report from the 4th Awakening conference, this one held this past late May in Helsinki, Finland. This pro-White, anti-Population Replacement Programme conference had the theme, this time, of "The rising tide of color".
There are 5 videos of the speakers embedded* in Mr. Taylor's post, out of the 7 he discussed. I want to later watch 3 more, including the talk by Mr. Taylor himself.
Mr. Devlin had not known of the theme, but anything related to both the PPR and reduced White fertility fits right in. The only thing is, Mr. Devlin used Finland as an example - it both being a place where the PPR is not yet fully in progress AND, well, that's where the conference was - to give a talk on his explanation for low fertility without the factor of high immigration. He DID discuss the immigration issue very briefly, but I ask the potential viewer to remember that this first 3 minutes (including his intro.) is not why I called the talk fantastic. It was the discussion of the evil of Feminism.
Before, I go on, it's only been a year since our last post, but if I ever get back to the series on "The Depopulocalypse", remember, I'm not against it. There's just the one big caveat I've got. The other posts were Part 1 - - Part 2, and an Anecdotal Interlude. Those posts were put up Sept. 8th, Oct. 3rd, and Nov 16th of '23, respectively. Yikes! I think I've lost a few readers there.
However, caveat NOT aside, as Mr. Devlin notes in his intro., he explains in the rest of the talk that the culprit responsible for low White fertility is Feminism. He's quite clear about this. I see nothing to argue with him on it either. Without much ado, only a few remarks, I'll let the reader see if he agrees that F. Roger Devlin is right on the money.
His explanation hinges on the mismatch between men and women, as Feminism has obscured their traditional roles, the ones that made the big Father-supported decent-sized nuclear family doable and a source of satisfaction all around. You've read of this from Steve Sailer and others, I'm sure: Ironically, all those women making the big bucks now find it harder than ever to obtain traditional female happiness, as their nature** has them desirous of provider men, meaning those making more than they do. How in the heck is THAT supposed to work? This is extremely dysgenic, even if we were to have higher fertility. (Should we, under these conditions? It's all part of the same problem though...)
I had not ever heard of a "Family Wage", as that's how long it's been since the term's been used. As a Libertarian, I would not like to see anything mandated, as much as it might help reverse things. However, it didn't have to be, back in the time when people understood a "family wage" was something good, and laws weren't necessary. That didn't work after the ctrl-left pushed and pushed Feminism - there were multiple waves, see?
OK, I hope you enjoy this. I'll probably watch it again soon.
* All these videos, including Mr. Devlin's talk, are on the Odysee site. I got somewhat lucky figuring out how to embed this one, and from now on, any Odysee hosted videos, or I sure hope so.
** I almost forgot since yesterday - Mr. Devlin is clear that the White Euro nature and sex-differing instincts are different from that of, say, Africans.
Comments:
Moderator
Thursday - June 5th 2025 9:07PM MST
PS: Well, I hope you don't get in trouble, Alarmist, but it's very nice to not have to care about it too much.
Moderator
Thursday - June 5th 2025 9:07PM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, I'm glad to see you around in these parts of the internet! That was a long hiatus.
I took a look at your comment and some of that thread. The only what-is-to-be-done part, as I recall a few days later, was the part about family wages - I assumed he figured there should be laws, but I'm not sure. I don't know if he knows how to get back to a society such as we have had, but he explains pretty well why things aren't working right now, due to Feminism.
HIs talk was directed at still-mostly-White countries like Finland, with the assumption that immigration is not THE main reason for low fertility there. How it applies to an already multi-culti place is not part of this talk.
I took a look at your comment and some of that thread. The only what-is-to-be-done part, as I recall a few days later, was the part about family wages - I assumed he figured there should be laws, but I'm not sure. I don't know if he knows how to get back to a society such as we have had, but he explains pretty well why things aren't working right now, due to Feminism.
HIs talk was directed at still-mostly-White countries like Finland, with the assumption that immigration is not THE main reason for low fertility there. How it applies to an already multi-culti place is not part of this talk.
Hail
Thursday - June 5th 2025 10:09AM MST
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My recent commentary on Devlin's work:
https://www.unz.com/article/decadence-the-corruption-of-status-hierarchies-female-hypergamy/#comment-7054487
There are a number of questions that Devlin's usual work fails to engage with. Does he have an answer for the "What is to be done" question? Does he think multicultural-multiracial-Wokeness-tinged society would be A-Okay if the overall Total Fertility Rate raised from 1.5 to 2.1? Or even if just the full-White rate was raised by that level? hy precisely is Feminism a problem, is it quantity or quality or both? What is the real problem and the real solution here?
My recent commentary on Devlin's work:
https://www.unz.com/article/decadence-the-corruption-of-status-hierarchies-female-hypergamy/#comment-7054487
There are a number of questions that Devlin's usual work fails to engage with. Does he have an answer for the "What is to be done" question? Does he think multicultural-multiracial-Wokeness-tinged society would be A-Okay if the overall Total Fertility Rate raised from 1.5 to 2.1? Or even if just the full-White rate was raised by that level? hy precisely is Feminism a problem, is it quantity or quality or both? What is the real problem and the real solution here?
The Alarmist
Thursday - June 5th 2025 5:10AM MST
PS
One good high-number X-class solar flare and all those smart phones will be good for is thumping something for dinner. Shame most of the bearers will only be able to throw like girls.
I told a well-coiffed, overly well-dressed young colleague who is always on his iToy (always the latest model) it would be funny to see him walk up to a real girl and try to ask her for a date. The girls in the office laughed.
Although young white men are still legitimate targets, being an older White male, I’m probably not long for the working world after doing that.
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One good high-number X-class solar flare and all those smart phones will be good for is thumping something for dinner. Shame most of the bearers will only be able to throw like girls.
I told a well-coiffed, overly well-dressed young colleague who is always on his iToy (always the latest model) it would be funny to see him walk up to a real girl and try to ask her for a date. The girls in the office laughed.
Although young white men are still legitimate targets, being an older White male, I’m probably not long for the working world after doing that.
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Moderator
Wednesday - June 4th 2025 5:48PM MST
PS: I first thought this comment of yours, SafeNow, was supposed to be in a thread 2 posts ago - the one on child development. It applies to both. Most parents of the last generation might have figured that they could keep their children off the screens for their whole childhood. Some may have even succeeded and others not so much.
However, the new generation of young parent cannot imagine going without a screen nearby all the time, so I guess they couldn't imaging keeping screens away from their kids. Good point, sitting next to your kid at the playground, both of you sending off crap on anti-Social media - that's not quite the environment that rewards being a parent.
However, the new generation of young parent cannot imagine going without a screen nearby all the time, so I guess they couldn't imaging keeping screens away from their kids. Good point, sitting next to your kid at the playground, both of you sending off crap on anti-Social media - that's not quite the environment that rewards being a parent.
SafeNow
Wednesday - June 4th 2025 4:44PM MST
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I believe the advent of the smartphone and social media is a major causative factor. This has resulted in children’s spending an average of six hours (!) per day on their screens. And, when they are not on their social screens, activities with parents seem a lot less meaningful and important and fun. Thus, when a woman contemplates what life raising kids would be like, she is imagining, often quite realistically, an unsatisfying life…kids who are either absent, or, have learned to ridicule her.
I believe the advent of the smartphone and social media is a major causative factor. This has resulted in children’s spending an average of six hours (!) per day on their screens. And, when they are not on their social screens, activities with parents seem a lot less meaningful and important and fun. Thus, when a woman contemplates what life raising kids would be like, she is imagining, often quite realistically, an unsatisfying life…kids who are either absent, or, have learned to ridicule her.
Moderator
Wednesday - June 4th 2025 2:12PM MST
PS: No, he didn't, Alarmist. Time pressure? Ha, or something else...
The Alarmist
Wednesday - June 4th 2025 8:54AM MST
PS
"... the culprit responsible for low White fertility is Feminism."
Does he go into the socio-ethnic background of the principal feminist culprits?
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Mr. Smith, thanks for the kind words. It turns out I spent the long weekend eating French Hamburgers, which is why I didn't respond a couple posts ago.
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"... the culprit responsible for low White fertility is Feminism."
Does he go into the socio-ethnic background of the principal feminist culprits?
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Mr. Smith, thanks for the kind words. It turns out I spent the long weekend eating French Hamburgers, which is why I didn't respond a couple posts ago.
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