Posted On: Friday - April 11th 2025 9:36AM MST
In Topics: General Stupidity History Science
I know the Peak Stupidity readership has been on pins and needles, waiting to know what REALLY happened to John F. Kennedy, Jr. Likely he died in his plane crash due to an all-too-common pilot error, but otherwise I don't know. What a let-down that was... but, again, that wasn't the point of this series of posts* (Part 1 and Part 2). We'll get to the point THIS POST, as promised.
Let me note that I added one more point (8) to the list in Part 2 of how a writer with a supposed EXCUSE (our acronym to replace "conspiracy theory", a term is not used accurately, as a friend recently pointed out) for Kennedy's unnatural and untimely death ruins his theory by being very ignorant of the subject. That subject for this speculation is aviation, specifically single-pilot General Aviation. (I also modified 2 other points re the logbooks and the seats.)
That point (8) was something I'd meant to mention and plain forgot, but the other 2 corrections came from my reading of the Final NTSB report of Kennedy's accident. Why hadn't I read it already? Good question. As I read this Laurent Guyenot's article 6 years ago, I already knew enough to want to correct a lot of ignorant points. The NTSB report is pretty thorough, so I learned a few new things, but nothing that changes my story here. Did Mr. Guyenot read the NTSB report? No, he never linked to it directly - he only referred to people who did read it. He put his trust in those people and made an attempt to sort the many discrepancies out on his own. He failed at that due to his not knowing the subject. He personally CANNOT get the real picture out of the NTSB report, so instead he turned it all into supposed contradictions, subterfuge, and cover-ups. Aviation is most certainly not his specialty, but politics is. Therefore he did a nice job with the motives at least.
I didn't mention the "Israel killed the Kennedies"** section, but I'd lean toward the Clintons. The Hildabeast was (may still be!) one ambitious broad. There are many strange deaths in the Clinton's past. In their style of politics, sometimes you've just gotta off a few folks. However, what kind of complicated assassination would they have done with Mr. Kennedy's Piper Saratoga? Mr. Guyenot freely admitted that there was no evidence, other, of course, that what he figures must have been covered up, which is not real evidence. Were there a corroborated story about some strange guys in the hangar or out on the ramp - it's not easy to be out of prying eyes outside - that might lead to something. Why not just get the usual goons to off JFK, Jr. somewhere in NYC where one might very well get mugged? Maybe, the Hildabeast already had a plan in place, but Mr. Kennedy's unfortunate accident saved her goons the trouble.
Instead this speculator concludes:
In the final analysis, it is the explanation of the crash that is strikingly implausible. As Anthony Hilder [one of Mr. Guyenot's sources who he does not completely believe anyway!] put it: “A finely-tuned, well-kept first-class airplane doesn’t just drop out of the sky and head straight down into the ocean unless it’s blown out of the sky or the pilot deliberately sends it into a dive to kill himself and his passengers.”No. It most certainly can come down fast in a tight "graveyard spiral", a structural failure due to that, or a resulting stall/spin from an attempted recovery. It's not so easy to calm one's self and "make the gauges your world" and go back to that important lessons from the instructors and the reports from the many times this has happened before.
Laurent Guyenot also admitted:
In this whole affair, we cannot prove directly that JFK Jr. was murdered. What we can prove, however, is that federal agencies and mainstream media conspired in a massive fraud, including the concealment of key evidence (the 9:39 call and reports of an explosion), the distortion of facts (visibility and pilot’s ability) and false testimonies (Kyle Bailey and Bob Arnot being the most likely). That can be taken as indirect proof that JFK Jr. was murdered.The rest is bad aviation speculation from someone who knows nothing.
There is evidence of an accumulation of deliberate omissions, lies and false testimonies from the NTSB investigation to mainstream reporting, in order to blame the plane crash on the pilot alone, regardless of inconsistencies. And so, between accident and assassination, I lean strongly toward assassination.You didn't READ the report, and you CAN'T read the report, so I lean strongly toward your being full of it. You can't claim omissions, lies, and false testimony, if you haven't read the report and don't understand the subject yourself.
Let me broaden the point here. A lot of people have some really good motives to "off" a lot of people. As Exhibit A, I present the institute of Marriage. It's often on some lunar cycle of some sort, but there are times the motivation and full moonlight are strong. Usually nothing happens though. When a spouse does die of unnatural cause, when there's some substantial evidence of nefarious means, that's one thing. If not, very realistic motives or not, we figure an accident is an accident, but, also, why go through so much trouble? They got poison, you know. Mostly we try to get along.
For some of the historic events like assassinations of big-time politicians, there are usually a plethora of realistic motives to be considered. Without some solid evidence of wrongdoing though, the next step writers/pundits/podcasters make is to try to throw shade on the "official", but often most likely, story. Contradictions are pointed out. That's a good method if you know the subject matter well. It's all garbage if you don't.
It's highly likely that John F. Kennedy, Jr., his wife, and his sister-in-law, died due to Mr. Kennedy's having inadvertently gotten his airplane into an unusual attitude and not successfully performed a recovery. It's too bad, as I wrote in Part 1, as, just from what I've read, he seemed like one of the more decent of the Kennedies.
Just to get an idea that JFK, Jr's accident is not some strange phenomena, I screenshotted just a couple of days' worth of accident reports off the NTSB site. The field, hobby, or business of General Aviation is now not nearly as big as it was in the 1990s. I didn't look at any current month in this easy-to-use search-by-month feature on the site, but I can tell you there used to be on average 5-6 accidents per day. To guess, 10% or less involve fatalities.
From a ground loop of a tail-dragger on landing to an engine-out landing in a field, to a graveyard spiral like this, things happen, well, every day. It's not often to famous people like John John. People shouldn't get so surprised and suspicious, unless they've got something solid.
Next on the docket - whenever I feel like it - Paul Wellstone and the King Air crash in Minnesota.
* I should have written these last Summer, as it would have been right at a quarter of a century later.
** Doesn't quite jive with the Rolling Stones' Sympathy for the Devil lyrics though...
Comments:
Moderator
Friday - April 11th 2025 11:25PM MST
PS: SafeNow, the "safety pilot" term is used for someone who is there to watch for certain things while a pilot is practicing instrument flying - key word being practicing. He just must be a rated Private Pilot. On a flight like this you really wouldn't call him that, but any other pilot would have surely been a great help. It was up to Kennedy, and it sounded like he was a little worried about doing the flight on his own at night. It should have been well within his capabilities, especially due to his having already taken 10-15 hrs. IIRC, of instrument training.
SafeNow
Friday - April 11th 2025 5:21PM MST
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Mr. Moderator previously mentioned that a safety-oriented neophyte pilot would sometimes bring along a safety pilot to sit in the right-hand seat. Just in case. To me, a necessary kind analysis of the event would be a psychological one. What can we glean from his past behaviors - - in life - - to support the idea that he leaned quite heavily against sensible safety precautions. I will quote Nimitz again, after the tragic “Halsey Hurricane”: “ It is foolish to be grudging about safety precautions for fear they might turn out to be unnecessary.”
When a cutter swimmer is lowered into the sea to make a rescue, it is a 3-man team: The certified swimmer, a certified line tender, and…wait for it..a safety guy whose only job is to be there, focused on the event, to watch for anything unsafe that might happen. Yes, just hanging out.
Mr. Moderator previously mentioned that a safety-oriented neophyte pilot would sometimes bring along a safety pilot to sit in the right-hand seat. Just in case. To me, a necessary kind analysis of the event would be a psychological one. What can we glean from his past behaviors - - in life - - to support the idea that he leaned quite heavily against sensible safety precautions. I will quote Nimitz again, after the tragic “Halsey Hurricane”: “ It is foolish to be grudging about safety precautions for fear they might turn out to be unnecessary.”
When a cutter swimmer is lowered into the sea to make a rescue, it is a 3-man team: The certified swimmer, a certified line tender, and…wait for it..a safety guy whose only job is to be there, focused on the event, to watch for anything unsafe that might happen. Yes, just hanging out.
The Alarmist
Friday - April 11th 2025 2:20PM MST
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In a poor visibility situation, he had enough instrument training to make it on good instruments, but probably not enough to figure out a partial panel situation.
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In a poor visibility situation, he had enough instrument training to make it on good instruments, but probably not enough to figure out a partial panel situation.
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The Alarmist
Friday - April 11th 2025 2:17PM MST
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Syringe something fluid but thick like silicon into the static port. As he climbed it would start to be pushed out, but might be enough to block it altogether.
Syringe something fluid but thick like silicon into the static port. As he climbed it would start to be pushed out, but might be enough to block it altogether.
Moderator
Friday - April 11th 2025 2:15PM MST
PS: Were it accidental or sabotage, static line blockage would, (SHOULD, I should say), not have stopped Kennedy from keeping the plane wings level.
I think the guy was just too dependent on his autopilot and his instructors. I also wonder about distractions from the 2 ladies. Somewhat related, they were a contributing factor here, in a way, by showing up way late. If Kennedy had flown in daylight as he'd planned to, this probably wouldn't have happened. Still, he was signed off as a Private Pilot, so ...
I think the guy was just too dependent on his autopilot and his instructors. I also wonder about distractions from the 2 ladies. Somewhat related, they were a contributing factor here, in a way, by showing up way late. If Kennedy had flown in daylight as he'd planned to, this probably wouldn't have happened. Still, he was signed off as a Private Pilot, so ...
Moderator
Friday - April 11th 2025 2:12PM MST
PS: I thought about how one could sabotage the plane to cause this, Alarmist.
First, it's not so easy to waltz into a hangar and get away with wrenching on a plane, or out on the ramp.. Secondly, I guess you may as well have a device to cut an elevator or aileron cable, come to think of it, fuel line.
Or, just get some one to mug the guy in NYC - just your normal random violence, nothing to see here. I understand if you were to pull off something with the airplane, it could be chalked up to bad flying, but really, everything else points to this being just that.
All that said, I hate reading guys like this Guyenot speculate when about all the premises they start with are wrong.
First, it's not so easy to waltz into a hangar and get away with wrenching on a plane, or out on the ramp.. Secondly, I guess you may as well have a device to cut an elevator or aileron cable, come to think of it, fuel line.
Or, just get some one to mug the guy in NYC - just your normal random violence, nothing to see here. I understand if you were to pull off something with the airplane, it could be chalked up to bad flying, but really, everything else points to this being just that.
All that said, I hate reading guys like this Guyenot speculate when about all the premises they start with are wrong.
The Alarmist
Friday - April 11th 2025 12:47PM MST
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I’m sticking with static system blockage. Whether it was sabotage or not remains a matter of conjecture, but the Hildabeast and Bill are one of the few American political dynasties with a triple-digit body count, so I wouldn’t rule it out.
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I’m sticking with static system blockage. Whether it was sabotage or not remains a matter of conjecture, but the Hildabeast and Bill are one of the few American political dynasties with a triple-digit body count, so I wouldn’t rule it out.
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