Posted On: Thursday - March 27th 2025 3:39PM MST
In Topics: Global Climate Stupidity Geography Science
Here's the 1st trick. Antarctica CAN'T melt. It's a continent, though it does have a thick ice cap and sea ice in the surrounding waters. I guess the alarmists know that, but I wouldn't put any stupidity past them...
The last 2 posts, discussing the race and sex problems, respectively, involved in long stays in close quarters in Antarctica, reminded me to write this post and its follow-up. This comes from a big discussion I had last Summer* here on The Unz Review with commenter ePebble.**
With all the seemingly-randomly-generated talk by the
That's what these 2 posts are about, the claims by Climate Alarmists that the ice at the Earth's poles is melting, so we'd better DO! SOMETHING! I will concentrate on Antarctica for now, as that's what I ended up looking into.
What's going on with the sea ice down there? You'll see 2 graphs below, and I had to look up the same thing: What's the difference between ice "area" and ice "extent"? From the National Snow and Ice Data Center (does DOGE know about these people?) we read off this page:
Sea ice area is the total region covered by ice. Extent is the total region with at least 15 percent sea ice cover.OK, thanks. Take your pick, as they seem to go together***:
This kind of graphical display reminds me of housing price graphs. They also vary on a local yearly cycle in addition to longer-term changes, so this works well. Note that the band that encompasses these yearly curves, after throwing outliers '15 for Summer and '14 for winter (both with extra ice) and '22/'23 for winter (lower ice) both extent and area are in the neighborhood of 50% and 15% of their absolute seasonal averages respectively. Yearly changes in this sea ice area are very significant, but is there a solid trend.
We can look at the small inset graphs. One can see from them, or the bigger graphs here too with more effort, that whether there's a real trend depends on the range of years one uses. It can be MADE to be a trend, which was the subject of 2 of our recent posts showing this simple method of Alarmism, as explained well by Toby Heller or Tony Flenderson, depending on how mixed up you get with the HR guy at The Office.
How about we look at it from slightly farther away? No not spatially farther away, as from a satellite (though we'll get to them) but farther away from the time scale. In these 2, the curves represent decadal averages:
A few single years of the past 2 decade are in there too, either for strict alarmist purposes or else, I don't know why. There sure is no trend with the 2 outliers of '14 (more ice) and '23 (less ice). Going by decades makes for much tighter graphs. Very obviously, there is no trend over the last 4 decades, or call it 5 with '22 and '23 in there.
We're talking frozen water (a mix of mostly salt water, but some fresh water off the continent) in a layer an average of a few yards thick. It's a lot, but it's nothing compared to the mass of ice on top of the continent of Antarctica itself. That is over 20 Million GigaTons versus the sea ice at very roughly 50 Thousand GigaTons at the end of Winter. It may have some other effect on the climate, but any long-term melting of sea ice is negligible compared to the melting of that ice cap, but:
OMG! This is terrible! "I’m melting, melting…!" – Wicked Witch of the South, calling (in transit) on (Radio Free Antarctica)****
This really does look bad. The Antarctic Ice Cap was shrinking steadily for the 1st 5th of this century. Woe is us.
Well, is this another case of that optimum-range-selection deal? The nominally-Christian satellites made to measure this, JASON and GRACE, haven't been up there longer than this. Note too, there's a gap, and then things have leveled out, at least, for the last 5 years. (Once can still run sled dogs.)
What the REAL DEAL is has probably got the Peak Stupidity reader in stitches right now. You know that there might be more to it, but WHAT? We'll get to it tomorrow. The penguins will be OK for another day until we settle this.
* Antarctic Summer, that is. (Of course! Different latitude - adjust your attitude.)
** Though I surely don't agree with him on the Climate Calamity™ issue, ePebble is a reasonable fellow.
*** I don't know why they wouldn't, but it could be interesting to speculate why not.
**** I doubt one could get this station to come in any clearer than the VMS (Voice of Michael Stipe)
Comments:
Moderator
Saturday - March 29th 2025 8:31AM MST
PS: That last link never got fully operational, but regarding the others on that Piri Reis map, I'm guessing it's not so old and is fake news.
Moderator
Saturday - March 29th 2025 8:29AM MST
PS: We do appreciate our cat, Adam, 24/7/365, sometimes 6. Does he appreciate us, though? My wife has been giving him so much meat lately, I sure hope so!
Oh, a new vehicle (for us, it goes back a few decades) has a tricky alarm system. The cat set if off last night - it must have really freaked him out, as he's used to getting up on all the vehicles. I have a nice picture of him sitting in one of the front seats, having gotten in when the windows were down. Boy, if you so much as cranked it one turn, he'd have been gone.
Oh, a new vehicle (for us, it goes back a few decades) has a tricky alarm system. The cat set if off last night - it must have really freaked him out, as he's used to getting up on all the vehicles. I have a nice picture of him sitting in one of the front seats, having gotten in when the windows were down. Boy, if you so much as cranked it one turn, he'd have been gone.
Adam Smith
Friday - March 28th 2025 7:04PM MST
PS: Good evening, everyone!
And Happy Feline Appreciation Day...
https://nationaltoday.com/respect-your-cat-day/
Moar seriously...
https://i.ibb.co/N6YZFzg1/Waterfront-Property.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/zWkhw4bS/Plastic-Chairs-by-the-Drainage-Ditch.jpg
(For just a half a million dollar bucks this Appalachian oasis cold be yours!)
Moar seriously yet...
Was Antarctica Ice Free in 1513?
(The Daily Stupid Investigates?)
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/01/02/piri-reis-map-of-1513/
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2004/jan/15/research.highereducation1
https://www.ancient-origins.net/antarctica-ancient-technology/piri-reis-map-evidence-ancient-technology-00276
https://tinyurl.com/48f7x2kp
Seriously? ☮️
And Happy Feline Appreciation Day...
https://nationaltoday.com/respect-your-cat-day/
Moar seriously...
https://i.ibb.co/N6YZFzg1/Waterfront-Property.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/zWkhw4bS/Plastic-Chairs-by-the-Drainage-Ditch.jpg
(For just a half a million dollar bucks this Appalachian oasis cold be yours!)
Moar seriously yet...
Was Antarctica Ice Free in 1513?
(The Daily Stupid Investigates?)
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/01/02/piri-reis-map-of-1513/
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2004/jan/15/research.highereducation1
https://www.ancient-origins.net/antarctica-ancient-technology/piri-reis-map-evidence-ancient-technology-00276
https://tinyurl.com/48f7x2kp
Seriously? ☮️
Moderator
Friday - March 28th 2025 9:29AM MST
PS: You guys are eating up parts of my post. Make it stop!
I kid, of course, as I'm always glad to have comments. Yes, it's very simple, but I wanted to give some backgrounds on 2 different methods of satellite measurement first, how accurate one could get (speculation there - don't have the specs), and one other factor I thought about and then AMAZINGLY fortuitously got my answer in the 2nd search blurb on "compressibility of ice".
Mr. Hail, what you wrote regarding your search is exactly what I was dealing with regarding the very simple request for "mass of Antarctica ice cap". Hell, you try it - maybe you're better at it. All results for first 3 pages or more with Yandex even were about "Ice mass loss", "ice cap mass loss", whatever. I just wanted one SIMPLE value. Wiki gave me the volume right away, so I just had to multiply by density, but one must be careful with the BIG units.
More later on, tonight, hopefully.
I kid, of course, as I'm always glad to have comments. Yes, it's very simple, but I wanted to give some backgrounds on 2 different methods of satellite measurement first, how accurate one could get (speculation there - don't have the specs), and one other factor I thought about and then AMAZINGLY fortuitously got my answer in the 2nd search blurb on "compressibility of ice".
Mr. Hail, what you wrote regarding your search is exactly what I was dealing with regarding the very simple request for "mass of Antarctica ice cap". Hell, you try it - maybe you're better at it. All results for first 3 pages or more with Yandex even were about "Ice mass loss", "ice cap mass loss", whatever. I just wanted one SIMPLE value. Wiki gave me the volume right away, so I just had to multiply by density, but one must be careful with the BIG units.
More later on, tonight, hopefully.
Hail
Friday - March 28th 2025 9:13AM MST
PS
I don't like the way that ANTACRTICA MASS VARIATION SINCE 2002 graph is constructed. It's not clear what the units are, or the overall scale. It starts arbitrarily at 2002=0. We don't get an idea of the relative scale or even a readily interpretable idea of the absolute scale.
The main thing that seems clear is there is zero net ice loss in Antarctica between early-2020 and early-2025.
Did the gods of Antarctica in 2020 order a lockdown over a flu virus, like we did? Preventing ice from going where it sees fit?
I don't like the way that ANTACRTICA MASS VARIATION SINCE 2002 graph is constructed. It's not clear what the units are, or the overall scale. It starts arbitrarily at 2002=0. We don't get an idea of the relative scale or even a readily interpretable idea of the absolute scale.
The main thing that seems clear is there is zero net ice loss in Antarctica between early-2020 and early-2025.
Did the gods of Antarctica in 2020 order a lockdown over a flu virus, like we did? Preventing ice from going where it sees fit?
Hail
Friday - March 28th 2025 9:13AM MST
PS
The news business for you:
There are headlines about "polar ice melting" but no headlines for "polar ice thicker than last year."
The news business for you:
There are headlines about "polar ice melting" but no headlines for "polar ice thicker than last year."
Hail
Friday - March 28th 2025 8:53AM MST
PS
At reading the title here, at first I thought that PS had, as unlikely as it sounds, turned against longtime pro-PS voice The Alarmist.
Checking the worldwide-sensation that is "Alarmist dot Substack dot com," in a quick scan I noticed no attacks on "Peak Stupidity." There is, however, a fresh controversy ongoing over which decade to which "Peak American Womanhood" ought to be pegged...
At reading the title here, at first I thought that PS had, as unlikely as it sounds, turned against longtime pro-PS voice The Alarmist.
Checking the worldwide-sensation that is "Alarmist dot Substack dot com," in a quick scan I noticed no attacks on "Peak Stupidity." There is, however, a fresh controversy ongoing over which decade to which "Peak American Womanhood" ought to be pegged...
The Alarmist
Friday - March 28th 2025 7:19AM MST
PS
BTW, doesn’t Jason come from Greek and Grace from Latin?
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BTW, doesn’t Jason come from Greek and Grace from Latin?
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The Alarmist
Friday - March 28th 2025 7:12AM MST
PS
Capitalising Alarmist to trigger me?
JASON is a JV with the French Space Agency and GRACE is with their German counterparts. All the players in this space are climate-change Kool-Aid®️ drinkers to the max, so they will spin the data to their nefarious ends.
Truth about the Antarctic is that the Nazi flying saucer scientists holed up under the ice cap since WW2 are heating up their propulsion devices for their second coming to defeat the Wascally Wussians.
But seriously, if ice in the poles is melting, it is likely coming from below as the Sun spits more energy into the Earth’s core as the magnetic poles move and weaken and are close to flipping.
There are also transfers of exothermic heat from the core into a network of Large Low-Velocity-Shear Provinces (LLVPs) within the Earth’s viscoelastic mantle, again largely influenced by the Sun. Who knows, maybe these LLVPs will swell enough to tip the Earth and put the North Pole somewhere around the Great Pyramid at Giza and cause a new catastrophic flood (why does the peak of the pyramid look like it is water eroded?).
Our carbon outputs have about as much influence over Antarctic warming as an ant pushing a boulder.
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Capitalising Alarmist to trigger me?
JASON is a JV with the French Space Agency and GRACE is with their German counterparts. All the players in this space are climate-change Kool-Aid®️ drinkers to the max, so they will spin the data to their nefarious ends.
Truth about the Antarctic is that the Nazi flying saucer scientists holed up under the ice cap since WW2 are heating up their propulsion devices for their second coming to defeat the Wascally Wussians.
But seriously, if ice in the poles is melting, it is likely coming from below as the Sun spits more energy into the Earth’s core as the magnetic poles move and weaken and are close to flipping.
There are also transfers of exothermic heat from the core into a network of Large Low-Velocity-Shear Provinces (LLVPs) within the Earth’s viscoelastic mantle, again largely influenced by the Sun. Who knows, maybe these LLVPs will swell enough to tip the Earth and put the North Pole somewhere around the Great Pyramid at Giza and cause a new catastrophic flood (why does the peak of the pyramid look like it is water eroded?).
Our carbon outputs have about as much influence over Antarctic warming as an ant pushing a boulder.
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Moderator
Friday - March 28th 2025 4:34AM MST
PS: Good evening, it was (PDT), SafeNow. I won't spill the beans here, so I will get to the answer later today. Yeah, the names GRACE and JASON are Christian ones, so I added that. They both are acronyms, of course.
SafeNow
Friday - March 28th 2025 2:52AM MST
PS
“You know that there might be more to it, but WHAT?”
- Yes, that’s me. I confess. And it’s the middle of the night here when I am going to confession, so obviously this is gnawing at me. I
I loved “Christian Satellites.” Thanks for the laugh. I suggest this derives from having a loose brain. Neuroscientists have called it “exuberant synapses.” Another example of this enviable trait is Reg of iSteve fame. I always liked his stuff. Say, maybe “loose brain” is another way of saying holistic thinking, the Chinese trait.
“You know that there might be more to it, but WHAT?”
- Yes, that’s me. I confess. And it’s the middle of the night here when I am going to confession, so obviously this is gnawing at me. I
I loved “Christian Satellites.” Thanks for the laugh. I suggest this derives from having a loose brain. Neuroscientists have called it “exuberant synapses.” Another example of this enviable trait is Reg of iSteve fame. I always liked his stuff. Say, maybe “loose brain” is another way of saying holistic thinking, the Chinese trait.
Yes. Everyday is feline appreciation day. And yes, I'd imagine that the alarm noise really freaked him out. (I once had a car with an alarm that would sometimes go off at weird times of the night if the wind blew too hard on it or if a car rolled by too close. I simply snipped the wire going to the speaker so it wouldn't make noise. It would still blink the lights though. I would have removed it but the keyless entry was tied in to the alarm.)
maps of the ancient sea kings
https://tinyurl.com/mwccja75
I've been tinkering with that other free file host. It works very nice shortly after I upload a file, but then it changes the way the link works after some time and then seems to start working again after a couple days. Oh well...
Happy Saturday! ☮️