Posted On: Monday - February 24th 2025 9:00PM MST
In Topics: Global Financial Stupidity Economics US Feral Government Taxes
That is the same thing Peak Stupidity excitedly exclaimed last year, almost to the day. We showed these simple graphics out of the IRS 1040 tax instruction
No, we're not excited about the income tax, particularly the paying of it. My wife noticed some chatter on anti-social media about people thinking of blowing off this deal this year in the hopes of a Trump/DOGE complete overhaul of the Feral budgetary system. I mean, who'd want to be the one paying a big bill on April 15th, if the whole thing were to be thrown out a week later?
Well, that's very hopeful of these people, but no, it ain't gonna happen. One might start to compare this to the student loan debtors who were hoping for Dark Brandon's attempted voter bribery loan forgiveness to stick. That's not a good analogy, as those debtors got into their own messes, with help from yet another Big Gov moral hazard, while NONE of us opted into the Feral Income tax. Anyway, I'll wait until that cruelest day. I like the pie charts though, so here's the one from the '24 1040-Instructions .pdf, that is, for the '23 fiscal year (page 108):
What do you make of that, Johnny? Well,
Now, there are many ways to categorize those expenditures, with hundreds of thousands of programs that are all about spending the money of those who may
1. Social security, Medicare, and other retirement: These programs provide income support for the retired and disabled and medical care for the elderly.Whatever. It's glorious to see the DOGE at least take a good stab at some of this. Still, as Peak Stupidity has been ranting about since our beginnings, the long-term gains from eliminating Big Government are great, but there must necessarily be much shorter-term financial pain when you back out of a hole like this.
2. National defense, veterans, and foreign affairs: About 13% of outlays were to equip, modernize, and pay our armed forces and to fund national defense activities; about 5% were for veterans benefits and services; and about 1% were for international activities, including military and economic assistance to foreign countries and the maintenance of U.S. embassies abroad.
3. Physical, human, and community development: These outlays were for
agriculture; natural resources; environment; transportation; aid for elementary
and secondary education and direct assistance to college students; job training; deposit insurance, commerce and housing credit, and community development; and space, energy, and general science programs.
4. Social programs: About 17% of total outlays were for Medicaid, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly food stamps), temporary assistance for needy families, supplemental security income, and related programs; and 6% for health research and public health programs, unemployment compensation, assisted housing, and social services.
Here's the hole again: That 11% is of $6.135 Trillion spent. See, the 11% is just half the story here. In fact, the '23 expenditures are actually 2% lower than last years'. (See postscript of last years' post.) Well, that's good... but the end-of-fiscal-year '23 debt is ~ $2.6 Trillion, or 8% higher than eofy-22 debt. Last time, we calculated - very simply, interest paid (pie slice % x total pie expenditures) / debt - we arrived at a 1.4% net** interest rate. For eofy '23, the interest paid was 11% x $6.135 Trillion = $674 Billion. The net interest rate was $0.674 Billion / $34 Trillion (debt at end of '23) = 2% (very close to that). What happens if interest rates on the bonds being redeemed are up at 6%, even if the debt would be kept constant by a Hyper-DOGE that has cut the deficit to 0? That piece of pie would be 33%, right at a third of all expenditures BUT, and a big but, 46% of the $4.441 tax collected (the left-hand pie). I'm sorry, but that's just not a good look for a country.
Peak Stupidity appreciates the till-01/20/25-unimaginable efforts by Trump & the DOGE to point out and cut slices out of the massive Feral Beast. However, we're just between a rock and hard place. I found a very good ZeroHedge article, one of the best I've read in years, to back up what I'm saying. We'll get to that soon. Until then, errr, keep yawning... sorry... we'll have plenty of other stupidity mixed in that doesn't require the green eyeshades.
* The 8% was in '19, and it was down to 5% in '21. That's good, right? I think the '21 sector was so low only due to it being in comparison to the Kung Flu Panic big spending going on.
** Why "net"? This has something to do with which and how Treasury bonds are redeemed and issued, I believe.
Comments:
Hail
Wednesday - February 26th 2025 10:37AM MST
PS
Haven't been able to comment at PS in last few posts but want to drop in this line:
"The Trump-as-Caudillo theory revisited: Fighting Third Worldization through another form of Third Worldization?"
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2025/02/26/the-trump-as-caudillo-theory-revisited-reversing-third-worldization-through-another-form-of-third-worldization/
Thanks
Haven't been able to comment at PS in last few posts but want to drop in this line:
"The Trump-as-Caudillo theory revisited: Fighting Third Worldization through another form of Third Worldization?"
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2025/02/26/the-trump-as-caudillo-theory-revisited-reversing-third-worldization-through-another-form-of-third-worldization/
Thanks
Adam Smith
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 11:48PM MST
PS: Happy Wednesday morning, everyone!
(1:49am here... MST clock will say otherwise.)
Getting sleepy... Almost time for bed...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bouvier
https://tinyurl.com/3e79e2e9
Also...
https://tinyurl.com/2tmhcvzw
But yeah. Too sleepy to do anything but go to bed.
I love you all and wish you all a good night. ☮️
(1:49am here... MST clock will say otherwise.)
Getting sleepy... Almost time for bed...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bouvier
https://tinyurl.com/3e79e2e9
Also...
https://tinyurl.com/2tmhcvzw
But yeah. Too sleepy to do anything but go to bed.
I love you all and wish you all a good night. ☮️
Moderator
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 8:03PM MST
PS: Right, SafeNow, in Mr. Caldwell's book (reviewed here: https://www.peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=1921), he was specifically talking about compensating blacks via AA and more to "buy social peace". Thanks for the reminder on that. However, I think we were just renting social peace, and it wasn't one of those rent-to-own deals either. We're about done with it.
What did Ron Unz mean by "the compensation does not exist"? Is it that we are out of money for that?
Yeah, that is my basic point thought that any serious cut-backs, to be called "austerity" by anyone in the government (the public is used to being screwed by unkept promises and inflation, etc), will hurt, no matter how great the idea is for the long term.
BTW, Paul Kersey is back on TUR with his blog, and his most recent post tells us how much of the black middle class is only in said class due to government jobs of all sorts. I wrote "much", while he makes it out to be almost all.
What did Ron Unz mean by "the compensation does not exist"? Is it that we are out of money for that?
Yeah, that is my basic point thought that any serious cut-backs, to be called "austerity" by anyone in the government (the public is used to being screwed by unkept promises and inflation, etc), will hurt, no matter how great the idea is for the long term.
BTW, Paul Kersey is back on TUR with his blog, and his most recent post tells us how much of the black middle class is only in said class due to government jobs of all sorts. I wrote "much", while he makes it out to be almost all.
Moderator
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 7:54PM MST
PS: My stance on income tax compliance is somewhere in the middle, Alarmist and Mr. Smith. I've written many times that I make a concerted effort to do my taxes with a bad attitude. (Except for a couple of years ago, when I had my 11 y/o do the paperwork... and then re-do the State taxes with an amendment due to his having not done the math right.)
I think I spelled my attitude out best in my post "Me and the IRS".
https://www.peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=2192
Yes, of course this post has the Johnny Paycheck song embedded.
Anyway, for about 5 years, I'd work out the taxes during halftime of the Superbowl. (This goes way back.) Everything was rounded to the nearest 10 bucks, and if it didn't work out, yeah, so be it. I mean, they've got computers there at the IRS, right? They can send me a correction one way or the other, and they have (both ways).
Lately, I give myself 1 1/2 hours, and that includes making copies, stapling it together, and getting it ready to mail.
Let me give you another example of how little effort I will expend. Only one year my wife had made some capital gains (yeah, paper silver, I know, but her idea, and she did come out ahead). Of course all the taxes due were on me.
Well, I looked up info on the forms, and it was gonna be one of these roundabout things, using multiple forms and a lot of confusion involved. Excuse me, but fuck that shit. I know that capital gains is 15%. So, it should be easy, and I made it easy. I made my own "Attachment A" with the 0.15 x the gain on there. I then put this amount on the taxes due part of the 1040 in some line I wasn't using for whatever it was supposed to be for. Next to the number: "See Attachment A." Oh, and on Attachment A (I almost forgot), I put some nasty wording informing the IRS the same F t S, that I'm not gonna spend an hour on this. Don't like it, tell me how much I owe or you owe me. I'm not getting paid for this. You are!
I may go back and look for this in my tax form copies - it was about 5-7 years ago.
I think I spelled my attitude out best in my post "Me and the IRS".
https://www.peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=2192
Yes, of course this post has the Johnny Paycheck song embedded.
Anyway, for about 5 years, I'd work out the taxes during halftime of the Superbowl. (This goes way back.) Everything was rounded to the nearest 10 bucks, and if it didn't work out, yeah, so be it. I mean, they've got computers there at the IRS, right? They can send me a correction one way or the other, and they have (both ways).
Lately, I give myself 1 1/2 hours, and that includes making copies, stapling it together, and getting it ready to mail.
Let me give you another example of how little effort I will expend. Only one year my wife had made some capital gains (yeah, paper silver, I know, but her idea, and she did come out ahead). Of course all the taxes due were on me.
Well, I looked up info on the forms, and it was gonna be one of these roundabout things, using multiple forms and a lot of confusion involved. Excuse me, but fuck that shit. I know that capital gains is 15%. So, it should be easy, and I made it easy. I made my own "Attachment A" with the 0.15 x the gain on there. I then put this amount on the taxes due part of the 1040 in some line I wasn't using for whatever it was supposed to be for. Next to the number: "See Attachment A." Oh, and on Attachment A (I almost forgot), I put some nasty wording informing the IRS the same F t S, that I'm not gonna spend an hour on this. Don't like it, tell me how much I owe or you owe me. I'm not getting paid for this. You are!
I may go back and look for this in my tax form copies - it was about 5-7 years ago.
Moderator
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 7:40PM MST
PS: 1856 Bouvier's law dictionary sounds more interesting than some of the stuff I was supposed to read in Humanities classes. This is not Madame Bouvier, I take it... just wondering. I am glad to see that even in 1856 people who actually cared about legal terminology used the term "aliens", and not for little green men. I was told "illegal aliens" is a slur. I'm not sure how much that matters to people that can't understand a lick of English to begin with.
SafeNow
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 7:10PM MST
PS
Yes, between a rock and a hard place. Because many people are necessarily going to suffer from the reduced benefits headed their way, and such people must be compensated for that if we are to have social peace. Christopher Caldwell wrote about this “compensation” principle in the context of affirmative action. Career advancement took a hit because ”people of color” got the jobs and promotions. The compensation: Steadily riding housing prices, and low unemployment. Thus, the reaction to AA was not “course and gruff,” which it would have been, said Caldwell.
SafeNow now asks: What the heck will be “the compensation” this time? Ron Unz asks, are we in a pre-revolution mode. His implied premise is that the compensation does not exist.
Yes, between a rock and a hard place. Because many people are necessarily going to suffer from the reduced benefits headed their way, and such people must be compensated for that if we are to have social peace. Christopher Caldwell wrote about this “compensation” principle in the context of affirmative action. Career advancement took a hit because ”people of color” got the jobs and promotions. The compensation: Steadily riding housing prices, and low unemployment. Thus, the reaction to AA was not “course and gruff,” which it would have been, said Caldwell.
SafeNow now asks: What the heck will be “the compensation” this time? Ron Unz asks, are we in a pre-revolution mode. His implied premise is that the compensation does not exist.
Adam Smith
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 4:52PM MST
PS: Good evening, Mr. Alarmist!
I don't recognize the legitimacy of the corporation known as the U.S. "government" and I have withdrawn my consent to be governed by that evil bunch of criminal scumbags. I know they don't care, but I feel that doing any sort of business with the Great Satan would be a form of recognition that might endanger my immortal soul. (Getting involved in any contract with the "government" is a violation of the first commandment God gave to Moses.)
https://tinyurl.com/3yb8sd6e
https://tinyurl.com/3rve2atv
(God apparently thought the first commandment so important he told Moses twice.)
𝐹𝑎𝑖𝑙𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑖𝑙𝑒...
Generally speaking, unless you owe taxes to the IRS you do not have to file. (They don't mind if you don't file when they owe you money.) So to keep things easy (and so I'm not complicit in their crimes by providing funding to the world's most expensive terrorist organization) I just keep my income below the minimum filing threshold, which was $14,600 in 2024.
https://i.ibb.co/svKp7fyX/One-Dollar.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/0RVk6mnJ/Fifty-Dollars.jpg
Never had a problem. ☮️
I don't recognize the legitimacy of the corporation known as the U.S. "government" and I have withdrawn my consent to be governed by that evil bunch of criminal scumbags. I know they don't care, but I feel that doing any sort of business with the Great Satan would be a form of recognition that might endanger my immortal soul. (Getting involved in any contract with the "government" is a violation of the first commandment God gave to Moses.)
https://tinyurl.com/3yb8sd6e
https://tinyurl.com/3rve2atv
(God apparently thought the first commandment so important he told Moses twice.)
𝐹𝑎𝑖𝑙𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑖𝑙𝑒...
Generally speaking, unless you owe taxes to the IRS you do not have to file. (They don't mind if you don't file when they owe you money.) So to keep things easy (and so I'm not complicit in their crimes by providing funding to the world's most expensive terrorist organization) I just keep my income below the minimum filing threshold, which was $14,600 in 2024.
https://i.ibb.co/svKp7fyX/One-Dollar.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/0RVk6mnJ/Fifty-Dollars.jpg
Never had a problem. ☮️
The Alarmist
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 1:33PM MST
PS
Evening, gents.
And income tax filing is also voluntary; if you don’t file, the Commissioner of Internal Revenue may determine your tax liabiliity from its various sources and present you with a bill that you must pay. But it would be a pain in the posterior for the IRS to gather all the loose bits of info, so they’ll hound you to death with all sorts of threats and penalties if you don’t voluntarily prostrate your finances before them. Best approach might be to figure out how much you might owe and send them a check without filing so they cannot accuse you of evasion (jail time, unless your name is Biden), just the civil infraction of failure to file.
Meh, Soc Sec, like income tax, is one of those things you go along with so they don’t Ruby Ridge your ass.
🕉
Evening, gents.
And income tax filing is also voluntary; if you don’t file, the Commissioner of Internal Revenue may determine your tax liabiliity from its various sources and present you with a bill that you must pay. But it would be a pain in the posterior for the IRS to gather all the loose bits of info, so they’ll hound you to death with all sorts of threats and penalties if you don’t voluntarily prostrate your finances before them. Best approach might be to figure out how much you might owe and send them a check without filing so they cannot accuse you of evasion (jail time, unless your name is Biden), just the civil infraction of failure to file.
Meh, Soc Sec, like income tax, is one of those things you go along with so they don’t Ruby Ridge your ass.
🕉
Adam Smith
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 10:14AM MST
PS: One moar from the 1856 Bouvier's law dictionary...
PERSON. This word is applied to men, women and children, who are called natural persons. In law, man and person are not exactly-synonymous terms. Any human being is a man, whether he be a member of society or not, whatever may be the rank he holds, or whatever may be his age, sex, &c. A person is a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the rights to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes. 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 137.
2. It is also used to denote a corporation which is an artificial person. 1 Bl. Com. 123; 4 Bing. 669; C. 33
Eng. C. L R. 488; Wooddes. Lect. 116; Bac. Us. 57; 1 Mod. 164.
3. But when the word "Persons" is spoken of in legislative acts, natural persons will be intended, unless something appear in the context to show that it applies to artificial persons. 1 Scam. R. 178.
4. Natural persons are divided into males, or men; and females or women. Men are capable of all kinds of engagements and functions, unless by reasons applying to particular individuals. Women cannot be appointed to any public office, nor perform any civil functions, except those which the law specially declares them capable of exercising. Civ. Code of Louis. art. 25.
5. They are also sometimes divided into free persons and slaves. Freemen are those who have preserved their natural liberty, that is to say, who have the right of doing what is not forbidden by the law. A slave is one who is in the power of a master to whom he belongs. Slaves are sometimes ranked not with persons but things. But sometimes they are considered as persons for example, a negro is in contemplation of law a person, so as to be capable of committing a riot in conjunction with white men. 1
Bay, 358. Vide Man.
6. Persons are also divided into citizens, (q. v.) and aliens, (q. v.) when viewed with regard to their political rights. When they are considered in relation to their civil rights, they are living or civilly dead; vide Civil Death; outlaws; and infamous persons.
7. Persons are divided into legitimates and bastards, when examined as to their rights by birth.
8. When viewed in their domestic relations, they are divided into parents and children; husbands and wives; guardians and wards; and masters and servants son, as it is understood in law, see 1 Toull. n. 168; 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 1890, note.
(Because I'm a nerd who reads law dictionaries for fun.)
Cheers! ☮️
PERSON. This word is applied to men, women and children, who are called natural persons. In law, man and person are not exactly-synonymous terms. Any human being is a man, whether he be a member of society or not, whatever may be the rank he holds, or whatever may be his age, sex, &c. A person is a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the rights to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes. 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 137.
2. It is also used to denote a corporation which is an artificial person. 1 Bl. Com. 123; 4 Bing. 669; C. 33
Eng. C. L R. 488; Wooddes. Lect. 116; Bac. Us. 57; 1 Mod. 164.
3. But when the word "Persons" is spoken of in legislative acts, natural persons will be intended, unless something appear in the context to show that it applies to artificial persons. 1 Scam. R. 178.
4. Natural persons are divided into males, or men; and females or women. Men are capable of all kinds of engagements and functions, unless by reasons applying to particular individuals. Women cannot be appointed to any public office, nor perform any civil functions, except those which the law specially declares them capable of exercising. Civ. Code of Louis. art. 25.
5. They are also sometimes divided into free persons and slaves. Freemen are those who have preserved their natural liberty, that is to say, who have the right of doing what is not forbidden by the law. A slave is one who is in the power of a master to whom he belongs. Slaves are sometimes ranked not with persons but things. But sometimes they are considered as persons for example, a negro is in contemplation of law a person, so as to be capable of committing a riot in conjunction with white men. 1
Bay, 358. Vide Man.
6. Persons are also divided into citizens, (q. v.) and aliens, (q. v.) when viewed with regard to their political rights. When they are considered in relation to their civil rights, they are living or civilly dead; vide Civil Death; outlaws; and infamous persons.
7. Persons are divided into legitimates and bastards, when examined as to their rights by birth.
8. When viewed in their domestic relations, they are divided into parents and children; husbands and wives; guardians and wards; and masters and servants son, as it is understood in law, see 1 Toull. n. 168; 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 1890, note.
(Because I'm a nerd who reads law dictionaries for fun.)
Cheers! ☮️
Adam Smith
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 9:47AM MST
PS: Good morning, Achmed,
𝑆𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑖𝑔𝑛 𝐶𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛? Nah. I'm just a guy with a low tolerance for bullshit who likes to be left alone. (Friendly hermit.)
Interestingly, 𝑆𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑖𝑔𝑛 𝐶𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛 is an oxymoron. Much like conspiracy theorist, it is a term often used to slander people. (Not implying that you were using the term in this way.)
Check out this interesting definition from the 1856 Bouvier's law dictionary...
CITIZEN, persons. One who, under the constitution and laws of the United States, has a right to vote for
representatives in congress, and other public officers, and who is qualified to fill offices in the gift of the people. In
a more extended sense, under the word citizen, are included all white persons born in the United States, and
naturalized persons born out of the same, who have not lost their right as such. This includes men, women, and
children.
2. Citizens are either native born or naturalized. Native citizens may fill any office; naturalized citizens may be
elected or appointed to any office under the constitution of the United States, except the office of president and vice-
president. The constitution provides, that "the citizens of each state shall be entitled to all the privileges and
immunities of citizens in the several states." Art. 4, s. 2.
3. All natives are not citizens of the United States; the descendants of the aborigines, and those of African origin,
are not entitled to the rights of citizens. Anterior to the adoption of the constitution of the United States, each state
had the right to make citizens of such persons as it pleased. That constitution does not authorize any but white
persons to become citizens of the United States; and it must therefore be presumed that no one is a citizen who is
not white. 1 Litt. R. 334; 10 Conn. R. 340; 1 Meigs, R. 331.
4. A citizen of the United States, residing in any state of the Union, is a citizen of that state. 6 Pet. 761 Paine, 594;1
Brock. 391; 1 Paige, 183 Metc. & Perk. Dig. h. t.; vide 3 Story's Const. 1687 Bouv. Inst. Index, b. t.; 2 Kent, Com.
258; 4 Johns. Ch. R. 430; Vatt. B. 1, c. Id, 212; Poth. Des Personnes, tit. 2, s. 1. Vide Body Politic; Inhabitant.
From the same 1856 Bouvier's law dictionary...
SOVEREIGN. A chief ruler with supreme power; one possessing sovereignty. (q. v.) It is also applied
to a king or other magistrate with limited powers.
2. In the United States the sovereignty resides in the body of the people. Vide Rutherf. Inst. 282.
For whatever that may be worth.
Happy Tuesday! ☮️
𝑆𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑖𝑔𝑛 𝐶𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛? Nah. I'm just a guy with a low tolerance for bullshit who likes to be left alone. (Friendly hermit.)
Interestingly, 𝑆𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑖𝑔𝑛 𝐶𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛 is an oxymoron. Much like conspiracy theorist, it is a term often used to slander people. (Not implying that you were using the term in this way.)
Check out this interesting definition from the 1856 Bouvier's law dictionary...
CITIZEN, persons. One who, under the constitution and laws of the United States, has a right to vote for
representatives in congress, and other public officers, and who is qualified to fill offices in the gift of the people. In
a more extended sense, under the word citizen, are included all white persons born in the United States, and
naturalized persons born out of the same, who have not lost their right as such. This includes men, women, and
children.
2. Citizens are either native born or naturalized. Native citizens may fill any office; naturalized citizens may be
elected or appointed to any office under the constitution of the United States, except the office of president and vice-
president. The constitution provides, that "the citizens of each state shall be entitled to all the privileges and
immunities of citizens in the several states." Art. 4, s. 2.
3. All natives are not citizens of the United States; the descendants of the aborigines, and those of African origin,
are not entitled to the rights of citizens. Anterior to the adoption of the constitution of the United States, each state
had the right to make citizens of such persons as it pleased. That constitution does not authorize any but white
persons to become citizens of the United States; and it must therefore be presumed that no one is a citizen who is
not white. 1 Litt. R. 334; 10 Conn. R. 340; 1 Meigs, R. 331.
4. A citizen of the United States, residing in any state of the Union, is a citizen of that state. 6 Pet. 761 Paine, 594;1
Brock. 391; 1 Paige, 183 Metc. & Perk. Dig. h. t.; vide 3 Story's Const. 1687 Bouv. Inst. Index, b. t.; 2 Kent, Com.
258; 4 Johns. Ch. R. 430; Vatt. B. 1, c. Id, 212; Poth. Des Personnes, tit. 2, s. 1. Vide Body Politic; Inhabitant.
From the same 1856 Bouvier's law dictionary...
SOVEREIGN. A chief ruler with supreme power; one possessing sovereignty. (q. v.) It is also applied
to a king or other magistrate with limited powers.
2. In the United States the sovereignty resides in the body of the people. Vide Rutherf. Inst. 282.
For whatever that may be worth.
Happy Tuesday! ☮️
Moderator
Tuesday - February 25th 2025 9:16AM MST
PS: I have never counted on this SS money to tide me over in my senior years, Mr. Smith. Not having a number would have been fine with me. Perhaps we shouldn't have gotten one for our boy, but the wife doesn't understand this kind of thing, and I myself barely do.
That letter in your 2nd link is from '86, '87, a different time you understand ... [/United Negro Space Program documenary]. Unless you are an illegal alien (something the letter seems to have missed), they will make you pay taxes somehow, if your are in the system, that is, working for an employer who is in the system. There is a TIN, Taxpayer Identification Number, that apparently suffices.
I think "sitting this one out" is a great idea for you, Adam! You are like one of those Sovereign Citizens or the guys on videos openly carrying (going back 10 years, say), who demonstrate the rights we have, often to their own detriment as far as harassment from the authoritah, who doesn't understand or pretends not to.
That letter in your 2nd link is from '86, '87, a different time you understand ... [/United Negro Space Program documenary]. Unless you are an illegal alien (something the letter seems to have missed), they will make you pay taxes somehow, if your are in the system, that is, working for an employer who is in the system. There is a TIN, Taxpayer Identification Number, that apparently suffices.
I think "sitting this one out" is a great idea for you, Adam! You are like one of those Sovereign Citizens or the guys on videos openly carrying (going back 10 years, say), who demonstrate the rights we have, often to their own detriment as far as harassment from the authoritah, who doesn't understand or pretends not to.
Adam Smith
Monday - February 24th 2025 10:09PM MST
PS: Good evening, Achmed!
𝑁𝑂𝑁𝐸 𝑜𝑓 𝑢𝑠 𝑜𝑝𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐹𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝐼𝑛𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑡𝑎𝑥...
Well...
https://files.catbox.moe/0pmajo.pdf
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑆𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝐴𝑐𝑡 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑎 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝑆𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑆𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑁𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠, 𝑛𝑜𝑟 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑖𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑛 𝑆𝑆𝑁 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑦 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑛𝑒.
And...
https://files.catbox.moe/mbwt8l.pdf
𝐴 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑛𝑜 𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑛𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑛𝑜 𝑡𝑎𝑥𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒.
When they say silly things like "𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑠𝑦𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑚 𝑜𝑓 𝑡𝑎𝑥𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑣𝑜𝑙𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑦" what they mean is no one put a gun to your head when you voluntarily applied for a social security number. Now that you've been granted a number (which you voluntarily applied for) it is your duty as a taxpayer to voluntarily comply with the tax code. (Because...) Compliance is voluntary when taxpayers declare all of their income. Taxpayers also voluntarily comply through obtaining forms and instructions, providing complete and correct information, and filing their income tax returns on time.
All because people voluntarily applied for a social security number.
(Which they never really needed in the first place.)
But what I think you're trying to say is that most Americans are enumerated at, or shortly after, birth by one or both of their parents because their parents were ignorant of the nature of law and commerce.
The good news?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/20/422.103
𝑆𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑛𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑠 (𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑣𝑒𝑠) 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑆𝑆𝐴 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑚𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑢𝑝𝑜𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡.
Meaning, you can never have a property right in a social security number.
Which is very much like not having one at all.
So, yeah. I'll just sit this one out.
Cheers! ☮️
𝑁𝑂𝑁𝐸 𝑜𝑓 𝑢𝑠 𝑜𝑝𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐹𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝐼𝑛𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑡𝑎𝑥...
Well...
https://files.catbox.moe/0pmajo.pdf
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑆𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝐴𝑐𝑡 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑎 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝑆𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑆𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑁𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠, 𝑛𝑜𝑟 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑖𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑛 𝑆𝑆𝑁 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑦 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑛𝑒.
And...
https://files.catbox.moe/mbwt8l.pdf
𝐴 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑛𝑜 𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑛𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑛𝑜 𝑡𝑎𝑥𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒.
When they say silly things like "𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑠𝑦𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑚 𝑜𝑓 𝑡𝑎𝑥𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑣𝑜𝑙𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑦" what they mean is no one put a gun to your head when you voluntarily applied for a social security number. Now that you've been granted a number (which you voluntarily applied for) it is your duty as a taxpayer to voluntarily comply with the tax code. (Because...) Compliance is voluntary when taxpayers declare all of their income. Taxpayers also voluntarily comply through obtaining forms and instructions, providing complete and correct information, and filing their income tax returns on time.
All because people voluntarily applied for a social security number.
(Which they never really needed in the first place.)
But what I think you're trying to say is that most Americans are enumerated at, or shortly after, birth by one or both of their parents because their parents were ignorant of the nature of law and commerce.
The good news?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/20/422.103
𝑆𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑛𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑠 (𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑣𝑒𝑠) 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑆𝑆𝐴 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑚𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑢𝑝𝑜𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡.
Meaning, you can never have a property right in a social security number.
Which is very much like not having one at all.
So, yeah. I'll just sit this one out.
Cheers! ☮️
I'll have a full post about it. I've got lots more to write on your thread. I hope we have a good discussion there.