Uhhh, no...


Posted On: Monday - February 3rd 2025 6:07PM MST
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This is from yesterday on the Gateway Pundit (good for headlines, is about all, for me).

Uhhh, no, don't pee in your pants here, Jim Hoft. Look, I'm as excited as the next Libertarian/Constitutionalist about someone, anyone, since Congress never will, cutting out the wasteful, worthless spending going on in the Feral Government. I'll say it again, even if you paid many of these people their salaries to go to the arcade (are there still arcades?), so that they wouldn't spend time impeding business and progress, that'd be a win.

But yes, cutting the D.I.E. people most deliciously, other dead wood positions, and also the reckless spending they participate in is a great thing. it's the diversity contingent within governments that are the worst, from my experience, in not giving a damn what happens with we taxpayers's money. The black men and women want to play Big Man and luxury goods Imelda-Marcus-style Queen, respectively (see, for example, Dalton, Illinois) the Hispanics just don't care much, and even the White women don't have that "what about our society?" question in their heads. And even most of the White men don't either, so there are not many left to care! I think we did better with the White America of 100 years ago ... just sayin'...

This is great, but, no, as we explained in 2 posts recently, Will the DOGE save our economy? and Budget Cutting v Austerity, it doesn't pencil out. I don't expect President Trump to understand that, but one would think Elon Musk would. He's a promoter just as Trump is, I suppose.

See, they gotten to a rate of $4 Billion in cuts per day. Yes, that IS fantastic. It's about $1 Trillion yearly (they're not doing DOGE on weekends apparently - fair enough, you've got to have a life), which is 1/7 of all the ($7 Trillion in) spending, and it would bring the deficit down to half of what is was going to be... were this rate to keep up. Sorry, IT CAN'T.



This is from that other post, but I could paste in some other more bar- or pie-like graph (no need for a function of time) later, but for now, come to think of it, I'll use the "US Debt Clock"* numbers : $3.14** Trillion is being spent on Social Security and Medicaid/Care. You ain't cutting that without lots of trouble from not only the usual ctrl-left sources. Right now, the defense/war spending (yes, I like these debt clock people) is at $0.88 Trillion. You could cut a lot of that - they may cut the waste, but the only way to cut the meat of it is to actually cut out the wars. Trump leans only partially that way, as we could see the other day in Somalia. The interest payments on the $36.4 Trillion debt are at this point over $1 Trillion. That's only 2.75% - that Trillion is obviously not it for the year, as rates on bonds being paid off are higher than that.

Well, you're not gonna cut that interest being paid without having lower rate bonds redeemed or by actually bringing the deficit to BELOW zero. Otherwise, yes, we're digging more slowly if we were to bring down the yearly $2 Trillion deficits by and to $1 Trillion. But no, they can't.

I could do this arithmetic to get discretionary spending, but since I don't know end-o-year numbers, let me just take '23 numbers from here. Oh, it's $1.7 Trillion, but they count the military expenditures under discretionary (I suppose it is), so in '23 there was only $0.9 Trillion left to cut from. You could cut out half of all the manpower (and womanpower!) and half of all the purchases, rent, whatever, and you're only at $0.45 Trillion cut. I'd love to see it, but that won't happen either.

If it did, where's the rest coming from? If they DID get to $1 Trillion cut this year, that leaves a $1 Trillion dollar shortfall (deficit). What's to cut next year? At the very best, yes, we can go back to 2010's numbers and start only getting in the hole an additional $1 Trillion yearly, instead of $2 Trillion yearly.... AND interest rates will have to rise sometime... AND it's gone!



Elon Musk is an engineer. He understands asymptotic functions. The curve upwards or downwards with a respectively lower or higher slope, approaching some value but never quite reaching it. That'd be the DOGE cutting, slowly getting harder to do, as one gets closer to an actual fairly limited government, but with big Social Welfare obligations to pay and a big interest payment due yearly. This sucks. It's a bug, nay, a feature, of Socialism - it's very hard to back out of it.

That all bemoaned , it's not just the money itself, but the fun of sticking it to the ctrl-left that is the benefit of the DOGE right now. The story of the righteous persecution of USAID is a great one! This outfit that Americans might imagine is out there shipping bags and bags of rice to indigents in Somalia or somewhere, is nothing of the sort. This GS-NGO (Government Supported Non-Governmental Organization - wait, what??) is used to start wars around the world and as a slush fund for said war-mongers and money-laundering operation for whomever else.

Speaking of Somalia, Somalia's representative in the US Congress has got her Halal-approved panties in a wad about this stuff. ZeroHedge reports Hornet's Nest Kicked As Raskin, Omar Throw Public Tantrum Over USAID Hostile Takeover. Ilhan Omar (D- SO) has had $2.3 Billion sent to Somalia to, you know, fight the Civil War and all. She's pissed. So is this Raskin (aka, Ratskin) guy from Maryland. So are a lot of the leftoids, being deprived of their livelihoods of graft and corruption. Peak Stupidity is deprived too, deprived of popcorn right now, that is - they can't make enough to keep up with demand! (Probably also the tariffs on Canada, eh?)

Now that $2.3 Billion Somalia war money is a half day's worth of cuts right there, and USAID itself is 2 weeks, including the weekend in between of cuts. That's no small potatoes, 10 x what a real southern border would cost with normal government waste, but the fun is reading the ZeroHedge comments!

It's a 3-fer, a significant cut, the ending of odious war-mongering and corruption, and the great feeling of seeing the lamentations of the CongressMalians and their significant (br)others.***


PS: I wanted to shoehorn this in here, because it's another case of someone not really versed in economics as much as one would hope. Steve Sailer never said he is, even in this substack post of his. Before I got to the paywall, I ran into:
[In 1896,]because the economy was expanding faster than the supply of gold, the gold standard was causing deflation, which raised the real interest rates that borrowers, such as farmers, had to pay to bankers. Inflation is bad, but deflation tends to be even worse because itโ€™s harder to adjust for.
Uhhh, no. Back nearly 20 years ago I clipped out a short article from the Wall Street JournaL that said deflation is bad. Those were real economists writing so... they they were even more full of it... uh, fiat money, that is, full of fiat. I lost that clipping, unfortunately... Mr. Sailer wrote lot more beyond the paywall, but I can't even ...


* Ha! There's a DOGE clock there on the Debt Clock site too now. I can kinda' tell which way these people lean..

** Hey, it IS time for a Pi chart!

*** Yes, that one came from a ZH commenter.

Comments:
Moderator
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 8:48PM MST
PS: "I believe PS criticized this decision, but now that we know the identity of the pilot(ess) who made the critical error(s) in the helicopter, it looks a lot stronger."

Mr. Hail, did he know about her early on? If so, though, he would not have called out (only) ATC. (for ATC, I could see the long term staffing thing, but it wasn't all due to D.I.E. The PanicFest has a long aftermath when it takes 3 years to really train someone to be a productive controller.)

Anyway, my point was to be that, and in no way defending the lady, but the Aircraft Commander, "Captain" non-military-speak is still in charge. Was he spending too much time correcting her? This mistake of not seeing the right traffic and not being situationally aware took a couple of minutes, so I don't think it was some quick move by the D.I.E. hire to just point that helo toward the ill-fated PSA 5342.

No matter what, I'm glad we have a President who would say something like this.

Got a post coming in the morning. Actually I wrote almost all of it - this thing is taking too much of my time though... I imagine you could see that.
Hail
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 7:50PM MST
PS

ICE arrests of illegal aliens with intent to deport (not physical removals)

January 23, 2025
538

January 24
593

January 25
286

January 26
956

January 27
1,179

January 28
969

January 29
1,016

January 30
962

January 31
913

February 1
864

February 2
736

February 3
715

______________

Average in period: ca. 925/day.

Annualized rate: ca. 337,500.

Four-year rate: ca. 1,350,000.

5%: approximate share of total U.S. illegal-alien stock to be deported during Trump-II term (Jan 20, 2025 to Jan 20, 2029) at this rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_deportation_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_second_presidency_of_Donald_Trump#Statistics
Hail
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 7:11PM MST
PS

Ann Coulter has been praising the Trump-II actions and stances, including the choice to immediately blame "DEI" for the helicopter-plane mid-air collision.

I believe PS criticized this decision, but now that we know the identity of the pilot(ess) who made the critical error(s) in the helicopter, it looks a lot stronger.
Moderator
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 10:52AM MST
PS: Any side discussion is always welcomed. Thank you for the fun discussion of Mr. Peanut and how AI and the Lyin' Press (for a long time before) can distort history.

Two more things:

1) Nope, we will not be celebrating ๐๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ค! history month at Peak Stupidity this year. When the US Feral Gov't says "jump", we say "how high, Sir?!", and since our President has wiped it off the Feral Gov't agencies' agenda, we must follow suit. Now, if another Dark Brandon were to come into power as King and change it back. we'd have to ...
... say "Screw you, asshole!"

2) There has been lots of erroneous info out there about that Worcestershire Sauce (great for marinating beef jerky, BTW) It was first marketed by a Texan. This Texan saw a bottle of this stuff at the grocery store and asked "Hey, what's this here sauce?", hence the name...

OK, that doesn't even make sense, but it's funny!
Moderator
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 10:45AM MST
PS: Hello SafeNow. Thanks for the compliment of the Guidestones posts. There are a number more about the pseudonymous Mr. Christian's book and then the destruction. Right before they were blown up in summer of '22,

1) I was really set to visit again, bringing a couple of friends who hadn't been.

2) I got through 2 posts of the 10 - one for each point of advice written in all 8 languages on the stones.

Oh, and when reading one of them just now, I saw that I'd written that a Georgia Guidestones v Stonehenge post should be coming. Well, I don't always get around to remembering these ideas anyway, but here's a comparison:

Stonehenge is still up... for 2 reasons that we already know:

1) Water or corn-starch-based spray paint is easier on monuments than explosives

2) During the thousands of years before the Stop Oil people - what they have against Stonehenge is beyond me - dynamite and plastic explosives had not been invented.

It would have been a good comparison though. The GGS were by far a more polished (get it?) professional job. The astronomy though - I'm not sure, but I think Stonehenge had more in that sense. No need for writing either, if nobody could read then and there! I wonder how much of a "private sector" project Stonehenge was... probably a typical Druid government boondoggle that the DOGE committee (Druid Organization to cut Government Excess) would have nixed ....
Moderator
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 10:36AM MST
PS: oops, I didn't get to the important part of that comment of yours, Mr. Hail. I see it differently. They are just ramping it up, and, yes, the media hype is a good thing. If the numbers stay in the 500-1000 a day range, that's not good enough and also, after a few months when the Lyin' Press has (hopefully!!) many more other things to rant about with Trump, the incentive to self-deport will completely fade away. I mean if only 1% of your fellow illegal aliens get deported in a year, what do you really have to worry about?

However, I don't agree with this comparison to the situation with Bai Dien. The BP or ICE were deporting some, I'm sure, probably without too much knowledge by Bai Dien himself. (What did he even keep up with?) If these numbers are nearly the same, the difference is in the YUGE drop to nearly zero of those coming in. Bai Dien was exporting, if even that, 10% of the amount coming in! Right now, births* of illegals is one thing, but otherwise there is a small net loss. That's not the same as with Bai Dien, Obama, Bush, Clinton, hell, you've got to go back to Operation Wetback to be sure.

Here's hoping the numbers keep going up, with goals like the DOGE ones here, but completely attainable with the right attitude and courage. 10,000 a day would be decent, but even then, we're talking 10 years.

BTW, I'd love to see Trump send ICE in to these areas in which Mexicans are marching in the roads with Mexican flags. A move to arrest as many as possible and send them home would be the most heartwarming and popular move yet for MAGA, and probably a large majority of Americans. There'd be statues build ...


* Of course, that's not to mention the huge legal numbers, H1B's Diversity Lottery (I hope that goes away with an E.O.), etc, that may or may not include the Bug-out Baby loophole, depending on how you classify that.
Moderator
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 10:26AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, regarding Ann Coulter. I'll have to keep up with her more (used to read her on VDare, of course) including this latest column you referenced. I think she is absolutely correct in understanding that immigration is the top issue and should be the MAIN priority for Trump. He does seem to be able to do a lot of things at once - amazing compared to his distracted self of '17 to '21! However, let's hope he does keep pushing or at least let Mr. Homan and Mr. Miller do what they were meant to do.

I am also curious if Miss Coulter has dropped her "woman scorned" attitude - she was pushing that a little too far even for me, and we were all scorned by his incapability last time. I'll read more of her and find out.
Moderator
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 10:22AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, regarding deportations (some more) and the economy. I do see how the mass immigration has added that much more to the burden of the Socialist Welfare State, in addition to the Black contingent already existing. Sometimes, we hear numbers that tell us, no, they are all making their own way, entrepreneurs they are! Valedictorians! There are people who calculate the monetary costs to society (in addition to the cultural ones), with ER use, "free" schooling, cheating like hell on taxes, etc., but somehow the Lyin' Press has never seen fit to print much of that.

However, even without any of them - say we're 1980s Sweden*, I still think it would all come to a head, maybe much later though You can't keep borrowing to the point at which your borrowing costs take up a serious part of your whole budget. But, that's as you wrote - fiscal Hiroshima (rather than D-Day, IMO) would occur much later, and, yes, it could be gotten through peacefully. There was that Great Depression 1.0 in a fairly unified USA, and if Roosevelt hadn't had gotten us into war, it would have been gotten through peacefully. (The economics were nothing like the disaster of today, though.)


* I was in Sweden then (only 2 days), and I could see that I did not like the Welfare State. In other ways, the Whiteness of it all, sure, at this point it's a place to dream of, for Westerners, even including the Swedes!
Adam Smith
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 9:49AM MST
PS: Good morning, Dr. Hail,

https://i.ibb.co/x8650P9N/AI-Overview.png
https://i.ibb.co/Q38W4TR8/Gemini-Worcestershire-Sauce.png

While google claims that AI Overview is powered by Gemini, the two programs return very different results to the same questions and/or statements. It seems to me that Gemini is more accurate and more difficult to trick.

I think George Washington Carver may be an interesting anomaly not only because the gods of The Right Side of History attribute so many inventions to him but also because of his status as a powerful ๐๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ค! National Folk Hero. (An example of ๐๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ค! moral superiority doctrine in action.) I think a little more investigation is warranted.

https://i.ibb.co/xKxxGzwd/GWC-Watermelon.jpg

Cheers! โ˜ฎ๏ธ

Adam Smith
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 9:22AM MST
PS: Good morning, gentlemen,

https://i.ibb.co/CqhGHQ0/GWC-Worcestershire-Sauce.jpg

๐ถ๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘ฃ๐‘’๐‘Ÿ ๐‘š๐‘Ž๐‘‘๐‘’ ๐‘”๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘ก ๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘  ๐‘–๐‘› ๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘ฃ๐‘’๐‘™๐‘œ๐‘๐‘–๐‘›๐‘” ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘กโ„Ž ๐‘Ž๐‘”๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘๐‘ข๐‘™๐‘ก๐‘ข๐‘Ÿ๐‘Ž๐‘™ ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘Ž๐‘™ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘๐‘ก๐‘ . ๐ป๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘‘ 325 ๐‘ข๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘  ๐‘“๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘ข๐‘ก๐‘ , 108 ๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘๐‘™๐‘–๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘  ๐‘“๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ ๐‘ค๐‘’๐‘’๐‘ก ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘ก๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘œ๐‘’๐‘  ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ 75 ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘๐‘ก๐‘  ๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘ฃ๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘“๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘š ๐‘๐‘’๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘ . ๐‘†๐‘œ๐‘š๐‘’ ๐‘œ๐‘“ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘œ๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘๐‘ก๐‘  โ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘๐‘™๐‘ข๐‘‘๐‘’ ๐‘โ„Ž๐‘–๐‘™๐‘– ๐‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘ข๐‘๐‘’, ๐‘š๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘ก ๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘›๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘ง๐‘’๐‘Ÿ, ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘ก ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘“๐‘“๐‘’๐‘’, ๐‘ โ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘ฃ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘” ๐‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘š, ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘Š๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘ โ„Ž๐‘–๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘ข๐‘๐‘’.

https://www.nps.gov/people/george-washington-carver.htm


Yes, ๐๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ค! man and national hero George Washington Carver invented buttermilk, axle grease, synthetic rubber, and Worcestershire sauce, as well as hundreds of other inventions, many of them ingenious. He was a great inventor and the gods of The Right Side of History will not stand by as he is mocked. Googling "who invented Worcestershire sauce" is ๐๐จ๐ญ ๐–๐ก๐จ ๐–๐ž ๐€๐ซ๐ž.

(But I did it anyway...)
https://i.ibb.co/xSP1tNk7/who-invented-Worcesterhire-sauce.png

Happy Tuesday! โ˜ฎ๏ธ

Hail
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 6:02AM MST
PS

(Sorry for the many "Peanut Butter Invention Controversy" posts. Will there be a PS Black History Commemoration 2025? If so, I have something to share, if and when that thread is created.)
SafeNow
Tuesday - February 4th 2025 3:47AM MST
PS
Hailโ€™s โ€œOn replacing government spending - How? Who?โ€ lays-out how to think about the how/who situation better than anything I can recall reading - - anywhere. Especially well formulated, I thought, is his sequential ordering of what would have to happen: โ€œTo criticize public spending, there needs to be a model of how it could be replaced.โ€ He acknowledges, in closing, โ€œโ€ฆthe possibility of โ€œa huge trauma that goes in unpredictable directions.โ€ I found this sobering.

A Peak Stupidity metaphor for a follow-up to Hailโ€™s closing? It might lie in Mr. Moderatorโ€™s road trip to visit the Georgia Guidestones monument a few years ago. (A great two-part post) The Guidetonesโ€™ concept was that a social or economic calamity was coming, and here is help. Well, after Mr. Moderator's visit, someone blew-up the Guidedtones with explosives. Authorities proceeded to dismantle the remaining parts. There was talk of rebuilding it, but alas, that was not feasible.
Hail
Monday - February 3rd 2025 9:22PM MST
PS

-- Trump deportations, still (so far) unimpressive --

Ann Coulter has something of a mantra: "immigration is the only thing that matters" in U.S. politics. I think my previous on-topic comments in this thread (about "entitlement spending") endorse that position.

(I'd add something on ideology, which overlaps and reinforces the "immigration is the only thing that matters" maxim: An ideology hostile to the norm of the White-Heterosexual Male will tend towards being pro-immigration, by default I'd say, under current conditions. There is probably no easy compromise: softness on the ideological side plus rigorous enforcement of "immigration law" is not a combination easily made or easily held together.)

I remain quite unimpressed with the supposed Trump deportation program. It looks, to me, like more hype and marketing than real action. It may begin "in earnest" at some future date. It has little reason to begin, though, if the orange-man thinks his base is placated by the hype and marketing.

There are reports that many of the 'televised' deportations we've seen were actually on a backlog from the Biden period. It's unclear how many "fresh" deportations there have been at all. It's the two-week mark, so those who want to give the Trump-II people slack will urge patience. (Another group of people said this, as well, in the late 2010s, giving birth to the ridiculous Q-Anon cult, whose central slogan was: "Trust the Plan.")

The pace of reported arrests suggests an actual annualized rate of deportations that will be similar to the Biden years. TrumpII-trusters will say "Maybe there won't be many more deportations, but the marketing will so so sleek and cool that it will dissuade new Third World border-jumpers and may induce some millions of net self-deporters." I say, we saw a Trump Slump before in immigration numbers, but it didn't really last in the way the USA desperately needs (the USA's Augean stables need a full cleaning; the migrants have to go).

We see zero indication, so far, that there IS any "mass deportation program." That is if we define it as "deportations far above the norm under Clinton--Bush--Obama--Trump1--Biden."

(There is also the possibility of Trump, towards the middle or end of his term probably, after the midterm 2026 election, wanting to do another made-for-tv dramatic turn in which he offers amnesty for "the good illegals" in exchange for deporting the 10% or less of "bad illegals" and "securing the border.")
Hail
Monday - February 3rd 2025 9:13PM MST
PS

Moderator wrote:

_____________

"If we really kicked out, with self-deportation as a big factor too, 30-40 million illegals, somehow nearly shut down legal immigration"
_____________

I say: In such a case, there would likely be no longer be a pressing need for major emergency overhaul of social-spending. For a supermajority-White population, social-spending D-Day would fade off into a further future, and, with control of our own fate again in our own hands, we would sort things out much more easily.

Western people's innovation and ingenuity have proven themselves again and again, through centuries and millennia. The model we are stuck under is not quite classical-Western model. It reminds me more of the accounts of the dysfunctional elements of the Russian Empire in parts.

The social-spending models proposed in the 19th century, and adopted in the 20th century by Western governments, were predicated on relatively-high-trust, all-White, culturally-Christian populations. In other words, "for us, by us."

The real "pinch" in our time is not the faultiness of those social-spending models (though it/they may be faulty, I don't seek here to argue that point); but rather the fact of the late-19th-to-mid-20th-century models of social programs still sitting around while Third Worldization has occurred (and continues) in the meantime.
Hail
Monday - February 3rd 2025 9:01PM MST
PS

(Why does the Twitter LLM-bot think so highly of George Washington Carver and want to lean on the side of promoting his supposed "invention of peanut butter"?)

(It's definitely milder than the outright-wrong claims generated by the Google-LLM best-guess bot as pointed to by Dr Adam 'Washington Carver' Smith. I believe that Google LLM-best-guess-bot switched suspiciously soon to a different name, Gemini; everyone calls these "AI" for short, the success of the marketing efforts of the heavyweight players in the field. How intelligent is it?)
Hail
Monday - February 3rd 2025 8:54PM MST
PS

-- What to take from the Peanut Controversy? --

The Twitter/X info-bot says this:

______________

"GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER did not invent peanut butter but made significant contributions to the popularity and use of peanuts. He developed hundreds of products using peanuts, which indirectly helped in promoting peanut butter. His work was crucial in finding alternative uses for peanuts at a time when the cotton industry was facing challenges due to the boll weevil. (...)

While George Washington Carver did not invent peanut butter, his work significantly popularized peanuts, indirectly contributing to the rise of peanut butter's popularity in the U.S. (...) Carver's role in the promotion of peanut products, including peanut butter, was undeniably influential."

_______________

This is quite a lot different from my account of the Black-Inventor Peanut Controversy.

As it's an LLM, with who-knows-quite what tinkering behind the veil. As with all LLMs ("AI"), it tends toward bland vagueness. The tendency reminds one of how a poorly prepared student "pads out" his writing, or speaking if presenting in front of the class.

Still, the impression a reasonable White man gets from the above (tell me if you disagree) is: Yes, the Black man called George Washington Carver more-or-less did invent peanut butter, and "hundreds" of other inventions, many of them ingenious uses of the peanut. He was a great inventor and the gods of The Right Side of History will not stand by as he is mocked. Fact-checking the peanut-invention claims is Not Who We Are.

The subtextual message put into more-direct language: Hey, you detractors out there. You should just be quiet about this, honor a BLACK HERO, call it a day; discard their white robes, donate to the NAACP, and live out DOCTOR KING'S DREAM!
Adam Smith
Monday - February 3rd 2025 8:22PM MST
PS: Good evening, everyone,

While it may be true that Dr. George Washington Carver did not invent the peanut, the sweet potato or the watermelon, the google AI bot credits the good doctor with inventing a whole list of important everyday things that we all use and love. Here are just a few...

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Happy ๐๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ค! History Mumf, everone!
I hope you all have a great evening.
(I'm going to go read Achmed's post and everyone's comments now.)
Cheers! โ˜ฎ๏ธ

Moderator
Monday - February 3rd 2025 8:18PM MST
PS: Great comment, Mr. Hail.

"Trump will not be the guy, as Paul Ryan and others were talking about 15 years ago, to "cut entitlement spending." Trump wouldn't even do his usual bluffing and threatening tactics with this. He just wouldn't do it."

No, and though I hate to say it, he SHOULD NOT be the guy. If he took that on, something that he would not at all relish because his most of his people (and everyone else still) would no longer like him, all it'd do is ruin his chances to continue this Blitzkrieg and all the other great moves he's been making.

We've got to let it ride for these 4 years, as Trump, somewhat amazingly to me, is doing great work. Yes, things will get worse, budget-wise.

We can hope that 2 things - public confidence that at least we don't have anyone bent on destruction of the country in charge and that the modest cuts that these people can do (but, will they stick?) are enough to keep it all in one piece for 4 more years while other important work is done.

If we really kicked out, with self-deportation as a big factor too, 30-40 million illegals, somehow nearly shut down legal immigration, worked on deporting those whose legal status is bogus (quite a lot), built the real border, and put a LASTING immigration control system in place, perhaps in 50 years we could have the unity that this country had 10 years after the last immigration cut-off. I say 50 instead of 10 because the foreign-ness of the new people is so much higher than that of those who'd come in the 40 years up through the early 1920s. Now, this time it's already been 60 years of the flood. If people had listened to Peter Brimelow over 30 years ago ... different story.

Oh, I wrote that to say that were the country more unified the coming financial mess could be handled perhaps without political strife. (The Commies never miss these opportunities though ...)
Hail
Monday - February 3rd 2025 7:06PM MST
PS

-- On replacing government social spending: How? Who? --

"$3.14 Trillion is being spent on Social Security and Medicaid/Care"

Of 27 Trillion total GDP --- Two programs, 12% of all economic outpit?

That's also just the public spending from two social programs, and NOT either total social spending or the "total GDP-cost" to care for: the elderly (17% of the U.S. population is over age 65); non-elderly disabled (4%), and poor people (12% in 'Medicaid'). It's just the public funds dispersed to those groups.

Trump will not be the guy, as Paul Ryan and others were talking about 15 years ago, to "cut entitlement spending." Trump wouldn't even do his usual bluffing and threatening tactics with this. He just wouldn't do it.

It's hard to imagine the U.S. in the near term moving away from the public-spending model. SOMEONE has got to care for the elderly who are in poor health and cannot work, the truly disabled (although the percentage claiming disability of working-age adults seems has been suspiciously high for years), and the poor. Who does it, if the rug were pulled out from government spending? Who did it before? Families, private charities, churches, goodwill groups or self-funded volunteer organizations, communities, such things as that.

Do we have the private social infrastructure, the "will," the ability, the vision, the social trust, to do much of that?

The USA's race-demagoguery of the past sixty years, and Third World immigration of especially the last forty-to-fifty years, jumps out here and presents itself in full splendor for the seeing.

Third World immigration now has yielded children and grandchildren by the tens of millions who have created a mediocre mush-population, Americanized to a lowest-common-denominator sense along Third World standards, and able to be seen here and there all across North America, quite heavy in parts of many Blue metro areas. White institutions are to pick up the slack to privately care for Third Worlders? It can sort of work when imposed by the government (just like the military sort of works because orders are imposed and followed, with a dissenter washing out or being ejected/discharged).

In the height of Wokeness towards the late 2010s, you began hearing influential people explicitly saying: "Whites MUST PAY Nonwhites large sums to apologize perpetually for racism, colonialism, slavery, and that terrible golf-course discrimination they imposed on poor immigrants over the years."

This kind of social attitude would create a strange climate for social-giving on a scale that matches and replaces government public-spending for the same.

To criticize public spending, there needs to be a model of how it could be replaced. Self-imposed shock therapy on the model of 1990s Eastern Europe would be a huge trauma that goes in unpredictable directions.
Moderator
Monday - February 3rd 2025 6:59PM MST
PS: Thanks, Possumman, for the correction. My eyes saw Michigan, but they were mistaken. I'll fix it now.
Moderator
Monday - February 3rd 2025 6:57PM MST
PS: There I was, though, Mr. Hail, in about the 4th grade, reading a book about the man that said he invented that stuff. That's what they do to you. It can take a lifetime to catch up to the truth.

Hey, there's an "American Pravda" article for Ron Unz: "How Americans were fooled about Peanut Butter"

"I didn't think much about peanut butter other than the difficult choice between smooth, crunchy, and that new stuff with honey blended in. Then, in 6th grade I read Syd Hersh's expose on the real life of Mr. Peanut and last week I read Glenn Greenwald's take. So, I read 18 books over the weekend, and now I know how much history has been buried and revised by Big Peanut."

"It turns out that it was a big conspiracy to steal the secrets of peanut butter from the Chinese. During the retreat of US General Stillwater's forces from the Communist inventors of peanut butter up in the Misty Mountains working for Mao to feed the people, a Chinese general named Chiang Kai-shek, aka, Mr. Peanut, smuggled the recipe in the right wheel well of a DC-3, flew over The Hump to India and points west."

"Anyone who could possibly believe anything else is some random right-wing ranter."
Possumman
Monday - February 3rd 2025 6:55PM MST
PS. Ratskin as he is known here- is from Maryland.
Hail
Monday - February 3rd 2025 6:37PM MST
PS

RE: Peanut Butter

It seems a series of White-Christian inventors, tinkerers, and innovators developed and began to produce and sell at small scale what we know as Peanut Butter between the early 1880s and late 1890s. Some say the real launch to a mass audience comes with the St Louis World's Fair of 1904; the city of St Louis was where one of the early innovator-marketers happened to operate.

George Washington Carver's love of the peanut as a food and a potentially-widely-used product is well known, but he is one of millions of 19th-century people in the USA who loved peanuts. The earliest involvement he himself had in any sort of "peanut research" was his appointment, in 1896, by the head of a Black college in Alabama to head the academic department of agriculture. By this time peanut butter had already been invented and was being marketed, although its big break-through lay ahead. No work out of his academic institute doing something we can reasonably call "inventing peanut butter" was produced.

Only in later years, mid-1910s to mid-1920s, did George Washington Carver publish anything on "peanut butter" at all, more than thirty years after White-Christian innovators began producing peanut butter.
Moderator
Monday - February 3rd 2025 6:22PM MST
PS: No, it was future President Jimmy Carter, a White man, of course, who invented the peanut. He used to wear a top hat and a monocle while driving his tractor - they called him "Mr. Peanut".
Fun Fact!
Saturday - February 1st 2025 8:42AM MST
PS: George Washington Carver did not invent the peanut.

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