Posted On: Saturday - December 28th 2024 5:43PM MST
In Topics: Immigration Stupidity Trump Globalists Scams Anti-Social Media
(Quick note: Readers may know that Peak Stupidity doesn't cotton to the term "Tech", when it is (normally) used just to refer to software technology. There is other technology that takes a lot more brains! However, in this case, #Alliteration!)
Which is it, lack of imagination or greed? Both?*
As a non-adopter of x-twitter, I have stayed out of the fray in this amazing intense battle of words (images/videos) I've read about regarding the push for MORE LEGAL immigration between the Musk/Vikram/etc crowd** and real Conservative pro-Americans Patriots like Steve Bannon, Steve Sailer, and Laura Loomer. Perhaps Trump never intended to cut it back - probably I'll write a quick post on this - but then he DID quite well on it as Trump-45. I'd thought his "stapling green cards to diplomas" bit was just more stupid BS or even political tactics, but if Musk is going to have his ear as he does now, we are right to be worried.
Rather than rehash this important verbal battle, we'll do something different. We'll show some pictures instead, to illustrate our point of how Elon Musk has no freaking clue of what America was before he came. I wish I had my own photos to share, as the modern www has a lot of ways to hide the truth. However, during the era in question, we didn't want to all keep bulky 35 mm cameras with flash attachments in our pockets and take (what'd be the equivalent of in the modern world of) 47 rolls of 36 exposure Kodachrome a week, what with the costs in Wal-Mart overnight developing ... I have not a one picture to illustrate my point, and then, I'd have violated PS operations security posting any. (If I get fired, I don't know what kind of crap you'll be reading here...)
Here's the deal, Elon Musk: Due to your age and your having moved to America in the early 1990s, perhaps you have never seen the America built by and run by American White men almost solely. It worked pretty well, as one may gather simply by reading the history of the 1st 200 years of this country. However, it's something else to know it, and I was there. Engineering schools, including the grad schools were populated with American White students, with a more diverse mixture only at the big grad programs - they could get smart people from all over the world for diversity, and oh, yeah, the full out-of-State tuition $$$.
I hate that I could find mostly B&W photos that make the time seem so ancient. It wasn't that long ago.
Again, bing images came out with more B&W pictures of what I want to show than it could have. The following photo come from this web page on the obscure blog of one Rob E. Buxbaum. It show Mr. Buxbaum's Chemical Engineering PhD cohort at Princeton Univ., finishing up in the year 1980. Mr. Buxbaum looks like he should be singing for "just another band out of Boston"***. He's the Brad Delp-looking guy at the right of the 3rd row back, looking at something far away from the camera. (Shouldn't he have been a math PhD or something?)
Let me do a count or 2 off that image. I'm just going to have to guess that guys 2nd to 5th from the left up front are their Advisors, so let me leave them out. Of the 47 PhD awardees there's one black guy. There are 6 Oriental guys, a couple of other darker-hued dudes, one who looks like he's from the 19th Century for some reason and another who may have been driving part time for the California Highway Patrol, and 3 ladies. That's about 77% White males, but that's Princeton.
I know what went on in the 1980s through 1990s. It wasn't until the mid-'90s that grad schools in Engineering started to become seriously Oriental and Indian. These people could be set to workin' on the Departments' research**** for low pay and a rough family life. The fact that most of them would find a way to stay in America was the carrot to keep them. Americans had, like, lives and all, and wouldn't take the very low-stipend jobs.
Then, companies could put out ads for the EXACT special research work that these guys had done officially to show that they tried and tried but just couldn't get a White man, or any American, for the job. The ad was focused on the one guy already in mind. It was a scam. I saw an example of this in the early '90s.
Then there's the IT world. It was still composed of lots of American men and a decent number of women in 2000. Again, I was there! I remember talking to a cube dweller in '99 who told me he was planning on moving to a new city soon. I figured that was for a new job, but he told me "Nah, I just have a good friend there. I'll get a job in a couple of weeks or so..." The castes of Indians had not yet begun to take over and keep out the White man. (Sounds like old B&W movies with John Wayne, but no, that's not at all what I'm ...)
Elon Musk, you've been talking out your ass. You weren't there, or you weren't paying attention. You know damn well that so much of your space business is built on science and (non-software) technology developed by the White man back during the days of Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo. Do you seriously not know who was doing all this amazing work back then? Tell me, who are these guys?:
Don't give me this BS about how the White man is too retarded to build rockets, you liar. The problem we've got, as with lots of government-caused screwage, is the bug, nay, feature for some, that these changes are not easily reversible. The first step, though, would be to stop importing Indentured Servants to put the Americans out of competition.
Yes, that's the right term, Indentured Servants. These H-1B visa imports will be working for da' man as long and hard as he demands. 60 hours at low pay? Whaddya' gonna do, quit? Your Green Card process will stop. You might have to actually go home and do your fantastic work for your fellow Oriental or Indian society. Or, yeah, you become an illegal alien for some years and get that fixed after a while.
BTW, in case I hear again that the Chinese all want to go home now, I just learned of a kid from the mainland of China who is trying to stay after spending 5 years getting some not-anything-special degree from a not-anything-special State U. paying full tuition. The guy could barely speak English when he came, but those TOEFL tests can be gamed. He had to do remedial English, hence the 5 years. His Mom spent beaucoup bucks sending him through so he can somehow get to stay in the US. Do we really need this "foreign talent"? Fortunately, the only thing stapled to his diploma so far was a bill for the cap and gown.
This was from the beginning of this MAGA v Tech Titan battle:
We can only hope that President Trump eventually listens to his common sense, which should tell him to listen to the 3 Steves, Miller, Bannon, and Sailer. Musk helped you a lot, but tell him to stay in his lane, when it comes to stopping and reversing the Population Replacement Programme!
* As initiated by a Trump pick of another pro-mass-immigration (but, but, LEGAL!!) Indian for some high-level position.
** I usually don't read ANY of the Unz Review commenter "Corvinus'' comments and even the replies to those. I learned 6-7 years ago that he is a real time-waster. However, I failed to mention the obvious motivation of greed on Musk's part, and I didn't skip Corvinus this time and noticed he caught this. Is he improving in some way? I really hesitate to write back.
*** The song is Rock & Roll band from the self-titled Boston album, one of The Greats.
**** One of the most egregious aspects of this was that, for these foreigners to work as Professors, they had to teach at least a class or two yearly. Poor undergrad Calculus, Physics, Chem, or Engineering students would have to put up with trying to learn under a guy who had a thick accent and could not really understand the questions posed in class.
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[UPDATED 12/30: ] Oops, I'd left out the field that Mr., Dr., that would have been on that date, Buxbaum and friends got their PhD's in. That'd be Chemical Engineering, probably THE hardest major.
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Comments:
The Alarmist
Tuesday - December 31st 2024 7:49PM MST
PS
Happy New Year, y’all.
Vivek Ramalamadingdong and Elon Muskrat are so full of excrement.
There are probably several million highly qualified Americans who’d do their bidding provided it was at a reasonable wage and when treated with respect and reasonable time demands. As Achmed points out, they want indentured servants. We should all reflect on our past experience importing cheap labor and the knock-on effects that plague us a couple centuries later. When will we ever learn?
I’m grateful that the Indians and other Orientals priced me out of engineering when I left the military. I was able to take my math skills to Wall Street, and ended up earning far more on The Street than I ever would in engineering, plus it is easier to live down selling derivatives to a sucker in The OC and going on to become a PE plunderer than it would be to live down cranking out killing machines, not the least of which was the 737-MAX.
I probably should not dis H1Bs too loudly, since I basically deprive at least three foreign-nationals of well-paying jobs in their home countries, but I’m not in Europe because I am cheaper than the locals. I’m there because I can really do things the locals cannot do. That is the fiction of the H1B market as well as The Muskrat’s moderating comment that the foreigners should have a minimum wage.
Roughly 10% of Indians speak english, and a fraction of those can only speak it passaby. I run into these types in London and Dallas, both of which have imported what seems like entire villages from India. At some point, when you import enough people from a country with an average IQ of 76 (yes, I know, there are smart Indians who average around 99, but they bring sub-80 family with them when they can... for comparison, the national average of Mexico is 88, and Mexico is remarkably higher-trust culture than India. Must be the cousin-marriage thingy) where 600 million people still shit in the streets and outdoors, you end up in a country that has a sub-80 average IQ and shit everywhere. I guess madame Pelosi would tell you that we already handle that in SanFran, just like that famous quote of the Ossivergeltungswaffe in the former Bundesrepublik Deutschland: “Wir schaffen das.” Roughly, “We’ve got this.”
No, Madams, you’ve turned the first world into budding candidates for third world failed states.
Happy New Year, y’all.
Vivek Ramalamadingdong and Elon Muskrat are so full of excrement.
There are probably several million highly qualified Americans who’d do their bidding provided it was at a reasonable wage and when treated with respect and reasonable time demands. As Achmed points out, they want indentured servants. We should all reflect on our past experience importing cheap labor and the knock-on effects that plague us a couple centuries later. When will we ever learn?
I’m grateful that the Indians and other Orientals priced me out of engineering when I left the military. I was able to take my math skills to Wall Street, and ended up earning far more on The Street than I ever would in engineering, plus it is easier to live down selling derivatives to a sucker in The OC and going on to become a PE plunderer than it would be to live down cranking out killing machines, not the least of which was the 737-MAX.
I probably should not dis H1Bs too loudly, since I basically deprive at least three foreign-nationals of well-paying jobs in their home countries, but I’m not in Europe because I am cheaper than the locals. I’m there because I can really do things the locals cannot do. That is the fiction of the H1B market as well as The Muskrat’s moderating comment that the foreigners should have a minimum wage.
Roughly 10% of Indians speak english, and a fraction of those can only speak it passaby. I run into these types in London and Dallas, both of which have imported what seems like entire villages from India. At some point, when you import enough people from a country with an average IQ of 76 (yes, I know, there are smart Indians who average around 99, but they bring sub-80 family with them when they can... for comparison, the national average of Mexico is 88, and Mexico is remarkably higher-trust culture than India. Must be the cousin-marriage thingy) where 600 million people still shit in the streets and outdoors, you end up in a country that has a sub-80 average IQ and shit everywhere. I guess madame Pelosi would tell you that we already handle that in SanFran, just like that famous quote of the Ossivergeltungswaffe in the former Bundesrepublik Deutschland: “Wir schaffen das.” Roughly, “We’ve got this.”
No, Madams, you’ve turned the first world into budding candidates for third world failed states.
Ganderson
Monday - December 30th 2024 8:11AM MST
PS. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again- Hockey players and their WAGS- and possibly their children.! This supposes that Canada becomes our 51st state…
Moderator
Monday - December 30th 2024 4:36AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, I went ahead and read that whole thread. (Boy, does this threading thing suck compared to Ron Unz's system! Just MO, mind you.) I'm glad Mr. Sailer non-paywalled at least that one - haven't yet checked ahead. I wonder if he finds it important to get more readers in this case to help in this important on-line argument than it is to do his marketing genius and work to sign up the most subscribers. If so, it shows some integrity.
On the "foreign talent" wording. I noted in an UR comment that you used a denominator for that 0.1% (of what, exactly) of the population of the world in any kind of shape to do, what, white-collar work? (Or ANY work, as you said 5 Billion). Let me write back to one guy there right now about this. Nobody is defining that "foreign talent" that this (Sailer-agreed, unfortunately) 0.1% if OF.
On the "foreign talent" wording. I noted in an UR comment that you used a denominator for that 0.1% (of what, exactly) of the population of the world in any kind of shape to do, what, white-collar work? (Or ANY work, as you said 5 Billion). Let me write back to one guy there right now about this. Nobody is defining that "foreign talent" that this (Sailer-agreed, unfortunately) 0.1% if OF.
Moderator
Monday - December 30th 2024 4:30AM MST
PS: Haha, I like that vision of Vikram, errr, Vivek, driving off ... "suckers!"
Actually, Vikram on the office - small part, maybe 2 shows - was a hard-working guy, but it was all in the realm of selling some kind of weight-loss pills on the phone. "The Office" made no effort to be PC. Steve Carell, as Michael Scott, had fun playing a guy who is trying to be PC some of the time but makes a hash of it, making the scenes highly Politically Incorrect. (Woke was not in use much then, at least by me - talking the mid-'00s, though I didn't pick up my copies of the show until about '08.
I guess I'm one of the suckers, though not or some sugar-laden fake anti-alzheimer's pills. It's just about Rama... himself. I guess he knew better than to make any of the tweets such as I've read about lately, back during the campaign. I suppose he, and Musk too, for that matter, figure that Trump needs them so very badly. He doesn't. That DOGE alone, thing is not gonna fix this financial mess, though it's welcome. Ron Paul or any number of 100's of thousands of long-term Libertarians/Constitutionalists could handle these recommendations. Get John Stossel
Musk's work, in uncensoring X enough to keep the D's from hiding all important election info is done. He'll still censor what he needs to, such as info. from Laura Loomer and Steve Bannon, who realize he doesn't care about this country as much as we'd thought....
Actually, Vikram on the office - small part, maybe 2 shows - was a hard-working guy, but it was all in the realm of selling some kind of weight-loss pills on the phone. "The Office" made no effort to be PC. Steve Carell, as Michael Scott, had fun playing a guy who is trying to be PC some of the time but makes a hash of it, making the scenes highly Politically Incorrect. (Woke was not in use much then, at least by me - talking the mid-'00s, though I didn't pick up my copies of the show until about '08.
I guess I'm one of the suckers, though not or some sugar-laden fake anti-alzheimer's pills. It's just about Rama... himself. I guess he knew better than to make any of the tweets such as I've read about lately, back during the campaign. I suppose he, and Musk too, for that matter, figure that Trump needs them so very badly. He doesn't. That DOGE alone, thing is not gonna fix this financial mess, though it's welcome. Ron Paul or any number of 100's of thousands of long-term Libertarians/Constitutionalists could handle these recommendations. Get John Stossel
Musk's work, in uncensoring X enough to keep the D's from hiding all important election info is done. He'll still censor what he needs to, such as info. from Laura Loomer and Steve Bannon, who realize he doesn't care about this country as much as we'd thought....
Moderator
Monday - December 30th 2024 4:21AM MST
PS: Hello, SafeNow. Yes, I'm just concentrating on areas that are in discussion, specifically by Elon Musk and Vikram Rama... Mr. Smith's comment here, and also under one of the latest iSteve threads on trucking is just another example that this H-1B effort of the Population Replacement Programme. Yeah, it's all walks of life that are necessarily being changed. I understand you were there.
"There" for you was a few years earlier, so all this must be even more tragic in your eyes. You really thought the Crocodile Rock would last, didn't you?
"There" for you was a few years earlier, so all this must be even more tragic in your eyes. You really thought the Crocodile Rock would last, didn't you?
Hail
Sunday - December 29th 2024 9:05PM MST
PS
"Do we really need this 'foreign talent'?"
The answer isn't even "No, we don't NEED them," because that question even suggests there may or may not be a need and that if there turns out not to be a need it's just a neutral result. A common response would be: "Oh, maybe we don't need them but an 'Asian' immigrant will tend to be well-behaved and it's not like they're Haitains or anything."
The better question is: "What is the cost-benefit ratio, in social terms, to a system bringing in these kinds of people?"
My answer is they are a net negative across a range of fronts.
"Do we really need this 'foreign talent'?"
The answer isn't even "No, we don't NEED them," because that question even suggests there may or may not be a need and that if there turns out not to be a need it's just a neutral result. A common response would be: "Oh, maybe we don't need them but an 'Asian' immigrant will tend to be well-behaved and it's not like they're Haitains or anything."
The better question is: "What is the cost-benefit ratio, in social terms, to a system bringing in these kinds of people?"
My answer is they are a net negative across a range of fronts.
Hail
Sunday - December 29th 2024 9:01PM MST
PS
Someone put up a picture labeled "Vivek Ramaswamy's greatest fear" showing a mid-20th-century all-White crowd in which a White girl gives some sports laurel to a strapping White male.
THe caption: "Healthy and athletic White boys and girls are having fun with each other while Vivek was forced to do math and spelling lessions on weekend in order to become a highly successful Indian scammer who sold sugar pills as cure for Alzheimer's."
The truth is that most non-Western immigrants, even highly successful ones, are parasites. In Vivek's case, he is not afraid of White-male "jocks." He actually needs high-trust White society on which he and so many others like him (past, present, and future) can parasitize.
Vivek made millions in a highly unethical, but typical, medical-investment scam he ran. There was never a "product delivery" for his supposed medical-research company. He pumped it up hard and had his already-wealthy family buy up low, then sell high. They wriggled through a series of legal loopholes after pocketing tens of millions of dollars. (That's what the person reffered to with "Indian scammer who sold sugar pills as a cure for Alzheimer's.")
Someone lost in the Vivek-Ramaswamy medical scam of the 2010s. It's hard to fully distinguish how his was legal and the notorious mega-fraud by white-female Elizabeth Holmes, about the same time, was illegal (she is in prison). It was wealth-transfer to Global-Elite Immigrants, so in the ethical system he's currently preachings its right-and-good.
The last the sucker-investors saw of Vivek, he was driving off shouting "Hah! Gotcha! There was never a product! What a bunch of saps!" and the value collapsed. Within three or four years from that career-highlight, Vivek had talked his way into the graces of Tucker Carlson and shifted to being a marketer for some form of politics-resembling thing he does. (Strangely, he and J.D. Vance seem to have known each other through Vivek's fat years of scamming the fat off the land; the connection being through Yale and possibly through Vance's elite-global-immigrant Hindu wife.)
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I point again to recent comments by J Villa:
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83199970
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83421836
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83199538
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83199160
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83270822
(the last one in his replies to Almost Missouri)
Someone put up a picture labeled "Vivek Ramaswamy's greatest fear" showing a mid-20th-century all-White crowd in which a White girl gives some sports laurel to a strapping White male.
THe caption: "Healthy and athletic White boys and girls are having fun with each other while Vivek was forced to do math and spelling lessions on weekend in order to become a highly successful Indian scammer who sold sugar pills as cure for Alzheimer's."
The truth is that most non-Western immigrants, even highly successful ones, are parasites. In Vivek's case, he is not afraid of White-male "jocks." He actually needs high-trust White society on which he and so many others like him (past, present, and future) can parasitize.
Vivek made millions in a highly unethical, but typical, medical-investment scam he ran. There was never a "product delivery" for his supposed medical-research company. He pumped it up hard and had his already-wealthy family buy up low, then sell high. They wriggled through a series of legal loopholes after pocketing tens of millions of dollars. (That's what the person reffered to with "Indian scammer who sold sugar pills as a cure for Alzheimer's.")
Someone lost in the Vivek-Ramaswamy medical scam of the 2010s. It's hard to fully distinguish how his was legal and the notorious mega-fraud by white-female Elizabeth Holmes, about the same time, was illegal (she is in prison). It was wealth-transfer to Global-Elite Immigrants, so in the ethical system he's currently preachings its right-and-good.
The last the sucker-investors saw of Vivek, he was driving off shouting "Hah! Gotcha! There was never a product! What a bunch of saps!" and the value collapsed. Within three or four years from that career-highlight, Vivek had talked his way into the graces of Tucker Carlson and shifted to being a marketer for some form of politics-resembling thing he does. (Strangely, he and J.D. Vance seem to have known each other through Vivek's fat years of scamming the fat off the land; the connection being through Yale and possibly through Vance's elite-global-immigrant Hindu wife.)
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I point again to recent comments by J Villa:
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83199970
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83421836
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83199538
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83199160
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/fewer-but-better-immigrants-is-a/comment/83270822
(the last one in his replies to Almost Missouri)
SafeNow
Sunday - December 29th 2024 5:44PM MST
PS
Achmed, you make a superb argument about engineering, and I would expand it, if I may, to apply to all occupations, walks of life, society and culture. And, I can take it even further back in time, because “I was there.” I used to post vintage photos on Unz of life during the late fifties / early sixties. Oh, what a time! (Me and Susie had so much fun) And, it was traditional Americans who created it.
Adam Smith, that video is a gem - - thank you.
Achmed, you make a superb argument about engineering, and I would expand it, if I may, to apply to all occupations, walks of life, society and culture. And, I can take it even further back in time, because “I was there.” I used to post vintage photos on Unz of life during the late fifties / early sixties. Oh, what a time! (Me and Susie had so much fun) And, it was traditional Americans who created it.
Adam Smith, that video is a gem - - thank you.
Moderator
Saturday - December 28th 2024 5:58PM MST
PS: Haha, Adam, I was really expecting for this to end with the cat getting nearly finished cooking and then running across the yard to pounce on a squirrel to get some real food! Hell, I can't even using chopsticks that well.
Adam Smith
Saturday - December 28th 2024 4:29PM MST
PS: Good evening, Achmed,
Just wanted to share this with you...
https://files.catbox.moe/eooohs.mp4
Happy Saturday! ☮️
Just wanted to share this with you...
https://files.catbox.moe/eooohs.mp4
Happy Saturday! ☮️
Seriously, it's a shame that the best and brightest math types in America end up doing finance. I know it worked out great for you, but would have rather been working on some proto-Space-X project? (Not rhetorical - I want to know.)