SO WHAT, if you're right!


Posted On: Thursday - August 29th 2024 7:25PM MST
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This post has been a long time coming. The reader will see that Peak Stupidity respects pundit Steve Sailer's work immensely - he's probably mentioned in 2 to 4 hundred of our > 3,100 posts.*. This and the next post on the subject must be said, though. It's all about one major point that, in my opinion, he misses with all his writing.



Our title today comes from one of Mr. Sailer's biggest lines lately (of many). The Afterword of his book Noticing has the title What if I'm right?. That was also the title of his 2nd, goodbye speech at the VDare conference this year.** In addition, Mr. Sailer didn't use that phrase explicitly at the conclusion of his interview by Tucker Carlson, but he talked along these lines at the ending. I'll paste in this part of the transcript, doctored up to show the one speaker only, Mr. Sailer:
Steve Sailer: We we live with it every day in sports that there are racial differences and performance on average. And nobody cares that much... and you know, God bless them.

We love sports. So yeah, there are... there is hope for the country that we can go back.
What if he's right? We just go back to normal, as if it's 1985 (or as iSteve would like even better, 1970 Los Angeles)... with some different people... a lot of ... very different people.

Mr. Sailer has covered hundreds of American social trends and much social history, with a dozen or more specialties, and generally*** he's just plain right. He knows he's right, I know he's right too, and all his readers, admitted ones or not, know he's right. His oft-used summary question though is "What if I'm right?" In other words, why be afraid of discussing the topics Mr. Sailer explains? Why be afraid of agreeing with his conclusions? If all of America agrees with him, the country is not going to turn into a Totalitarian White Supremacist Patriarchal Police State (though some of that - in the middle - would be readily welcomed!)

Sure, black people will have to admit they shouldn't be hired to fly airplanes and do Air Traffic Control or heart surgery in proportionate numbers, because they generally aren't up to it. White people already admit that black people are better at basketball. I don't have to watch it, but Mr. Sailer touts their abilities in sports and entertainment. Let us all be left to do what we are best at and be glad for it. That sounds eminently reasonable.

Mr. Sailer brings out the question after his latest black death investigations. Most of his book afterword is on that subject, but I don't think he means the question to apply to just that one area of his Social Studies.

Let's also all agree that (now I've got his voice in my head), ahhh, I mean, women maybe shouldn't be leading organizations so much or writing op-eds that end up being arguments from their feelings and worries about not being hot. We could admit that men are better leaders and thinkers. We could convince woman that, ahhhh, I mean, it wasn't so bad for them when family formation was affordable, and they really do like being Mothers and wives. That seems pretty reasonable, right, and not really like The Handmaid's Tale?

The Jews of the highly-influential hard-left, well, they could read a couple of chapters in my book and see that the Golf-o-caust was really not so bad. They had their own country clubs, and, yeaaaahhh, I mean, the White population of America has been very welcoming over the last century and a half, and they could, I don't know, be more grateful maybe. It's not wholly unreasonable that they become more Conservative rather than working to destroy society and all...

And the homos, I mean the gays, who are very different from lesbians, BTW****, couldn't they, like, ahhhh, just be gay but not blame AIDS on President Reagan and not, I dunno, force us to like their pride flag? It wouldn't be unreasonable to ask, would it, that they don't have banners at the library that the little kids see. Then the transgender business that I predicted 10 years ahead (a nice guess(?)), it's just silly, I mean, so we could just all let the girls play sports with the girls and realize that this was a stupid fad pushed by autogynephilicacs (? whatever!) and other weirdos, of which there just aren't that many.

As for the massive number of very foreign immigrants, we should change policies so that they assimilate more. They're here due to mistakes being made, so we've got to live with this deal. We can work out a way for college admissions to be fair to all, and put up with like, loud-ass prayers on P/A systems 5 times a day in places like Dearborn, Michigan and whatever else comes our way. If we stop invading the world, our politicians and the Lutherans and Hebrew Aid Society won't have to keep inviting the world.*****

In other words, if people were would just listen to, and, better yet, GET, what Mr. Sailer is saying, our troubles would be over. Some people are ignorant of all he knows, others are just so stupid it takes a lot of explaining, but if we can just ... NO!

He really doesn't get this. It's a shame a site with the name Peak Stupidity should have to explain this, but it's not that most of the people you are arguing with are STUPID. Many are EVIL.

There are various kinds of evil people running the show. There are the guys like George Soros who, while making the big bucks doing it, really seem bent on destroying the world for the flying hell of it, the purely greedy ones who don't care what happens, so long as they get rich off it all, the idealogical types who push the stupidity (The Climate Calamity™, the Population Replacement Programme, Feminism, the Genderbender nonsense, and all the rest) in order to fulfill their wants. What do they want? Some are truly Communists, if not in pure Marxist ideology, with that great resentment they harbor taken out on the rest of us via destruction of traditional society.

The useful idiots of these destructive evil ones are stupid, by definition, but those with power pushing it are not. I would say that most of them are smart enough to understand Steve Sailer's arguments, would they deign to read them, and they'd probably have to agree based on ... yeah, sounds pretty reasonable.

What Steve Sailer just won't ever get is that THEY DON'T CARE. They don't care that your arguments are quite civil and reasonable, and that it won't do people any harm to listen, agree, and follow the advice. Thing is, THEY! WANT! HARM! GET IT? They want the destruction of our society. They are not stupid - they are evil. Their thoughts in response to your point elucidated here is simple: So what?! So what, if you're right! We don't care.


* I'll do a database search for "Sailer" and "iSteve" later and see if I'm in the ballpark here.

** ... his first being the coverage mostly of his findings on Black! "deaths of exuberance", from car crashes and shootings of each other.

*** Let's not talk about the Covid one-niner.

**** That was a great chapter in his book, which came from a splendid National Review article from way back.

***** I don't mean to re-interpret Mr. Sailer's phrasing here. Peak Stupidity discussed here the cause & effect or lack thereof. I just maintain that Mr. Sailer puts too much faith in people's goodness, as in those politicians and NGOs involved. For the record, I'm strongly against invading the world.

Comments:
Mr. Anon
Friday - August 30th 2024 8:40PM MST
PS

There is no going back to the way America used to be.

And the political left is not motivated by stupidity, but by evil.

The political right is motivated by stupidity - stupidly believing that they can just play by the rules that their enemies use as weapons against them.

Both political parties are, essentially, vehicles of influence and power for the wealthy. It is they - the international clique of the super rich and other monied interests (large corporations, banks, etc.) who really call the shots.
Moderator
Friday - August 30th 2024 4:31PM MST
PS: J1234, that was a good example of a distractive technique, the way the ctlr-left of Martha's Vineyard deflected people from seeing their own hypocrisy.

Academia and journalism still guided by principle and evidence? Yes, that's what I mean, to be elaborated on in the next post. Mr. Sailer very much wants to believe that everyone is GOOD, but just often ignorant or stupid. The universities and media have been infiltrated by the ctrl-left over half a century - I'd say it was completed at least a decade ago. They are simply not on our side.

That attitude of wokeness you well describe has been pushed upon the lower level useful idiots, so that we are in no position to possibly convince them of anything that is in Steve Sailer's well-selling book.* Yes, "futile" is the right word.


* I got my 3 copies - one is with a friend who may or may not really like it. I want to find out soon.
Moderator
Friday - August 30th 2024 4:20PM MST
PS: I see that your links to the posts about most research being wrong are both in the health/medical fields. That's to be expected. There's just not enough theory to base stuff on. Studies and attempted assignment of causation say one thing this year and another 30 years later.

Here I am, still worried about eating eggs. Ya' see?

Regarding your other topic, I'd like to see the article and yours and his comments if you can find it. The solutions are not always easy. Mr. Sailer hopes they will be, but hope is not a strategy. Without hard decisions being made, our descendants will have nothing good to say about these generations...
Moderator
Friday - August 30th 2024 4:16PM MST
PS: Thank you, M. I'm sure the Sokal troll job is one I have read about, surely under iSteve also.

Yes, I can see it being embarrassing and angering for the folks in these fields to get trolled like that. Nobody wants to wade through his colleagues' BS papers, and maybe not even his own, once that [Submit] button has been pressed. How did you pick out one piece of BS from a whole steaming pile of BS? It's naughty indeed to assign the that task to these people going forward, to prevent another such happening.
J1234
Friday - August 30th 2024 10:49AM MST
PS

As I recall, Lindsay and others in his group were canceled academically under the pretext that they were submitting false and invented information for publication. In a literal sense that accusation was true, but it was obviously just retribution for heresy. The far left establishment was trying to create an "outrage" over something that was very peripheral to the point the offending group's actions, a common diversionary tactic of theirs. (Like Martha Vineyard's "outrage" over Florida's treatment of illegal immigrants so that the world hopefully wouldn't notice that leftist Martha's Vineyard kicked said illegals out of their community.)


Our moderator said:
"What Steve Sailer just won't ever get is that THEY DON'T CARE. They don't care that your arguments are quite civil and reasonable, and that it won't do people any harm to listen, agree, and follow the advice. Thing is, THEY! WANT! HARM! GET IT? They want the destruction of our society."

I think this is a valid critique of Mr. Sailer, to one degree or another. To what degree, I can't say. He seems to assume that academia and journalism are still guided by principle and evidence, that it's possible for them to be shamed into reexamining their inconsistent world views and policies. I mean, the political/world perspective that shouted "SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!" when Trump got elected is certainly capable of experiencing shame itself, right? Well, with some notable exceptions, I'd say "wrong".

To me, the wokeness found in these places is less of an ideology than a politicized psychology. It's appeal to the morally non-grounded is that it makes them feel utterly incorruptible and completely redeemable, regardless of their transgressions. You're an unwed and absent father? A career woman who is sleeping her way to the top? An addict? No problem...the magic social justice words you utter make all of that go away. All you have to do is be 100% faithful to the narrative (and in word only.)

With wokeness, shame doesn't apply to you. You can do whatever you want to society. You can't publicly denigrate and be contemptuous of black culture or the third world anymore, but you CAN hate Western Civilization, so the impulse lives on! Trying to persuade such a mindset is kind of futile.

Steve is a brilliant guy, though. He follows the path he thinks he needs to follow. I feel blessed by his writing, though I rarely go to Unz as of late. I always smile and chuckle when I see the "More Late Breaking Emmitt Till News!" headline. (I think there's one up right now.)
Adam Smith
Friday - August 30th 2024 9:43AM MST
PS: Good afternoon, frens!

http://norskk.is/bytta/menn/dog_park.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_Findings_Are_False

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article/file?type=printable&id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s00192-017-3389-1.pdf

Sailer is a good guy. And (like Mike Pence,) I imagine he is a good neighbor.
And he is not wrong, per se. But he is not nearly as clever as he thinks he is.
(Well, maybe he is, but it does not often come across in his writing.)

I did read something he wrote, a short while ago, (perhaps on substack?) about some modest solutions to the World's Most Important Graph...

It was something along the lines of...

Either we need some sort of serious eugenics program (eeeek!)(Dysgenic Fertility has Always Been Our Greatest Strength!), or we need to genocide most of the 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐬!, you know, if anyone would like a world worth living in 100 years from now.

Of course, he dismissed this idea as evil...

But... ☮️
M
Friday - August 30th 2024 7:27AM MST
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Hail:

It sounds like Lindsay was following in the footsteps of Alan Sokal.

"Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity". Published in 1996 in Social Text, a leading journal of "cultural studies".

Obviously fake (It proposed that quantum gravity is a social and linguistic construct), but the editors liked the paper's conclusion. So it was published.

Big controversy over it when Sokal revealed it to be a hoax. Much of the academic opinion was how naughty he was to have fooled them that way.
Moderator
Friday - August 30th 2024 5:54AM MST
PS: I think Mr. Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire" fits in with the goings on of today, and this post, well, too, Alarmist. Only, your one has a better tune for sure.
Moderator
Friday - August 30th 2024 5:53AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, I do remember at least in the iSteve comments, discussion of this guy that was trolling the woke journals with this stuff. I can't remember a specific Steve Sailer post about it, but a quick search on TUR for James Lindsay or any Lindsay didn't get me anything. (You may do better.)

I never really expected detailed solutions out of the Steve Sailer. I don't think that's part of the work he does. His job has been to illuminate the problems, getting everyone (those who read, though, ONLY) to understand how the current mess came about, and to teach those stupid people who don't get it, very nicely (95% of the time) how things could be different, more sane, if most people would just agree.

Like him, I think that if a large majority of all the "fringe" groups I mentioned (and there are more I missed) in this post were really to agree and not have any other motive other than ignorance in not agreeing with the reasoning of Steve Sailer till now, sure, we'd be good. It'd be no 1955 Los Angeles or even a 1970s Anytown, USA in the Heartland, but with the stipulation that people understand (meaning no more Coalition of the Fringes, just a unified multi-cultural... wait, whaaat?) then it might just work, like a better-working, safer version of Brazil(?).

Well, first, you're not gonna turn it around like that. Think of only the 1 group, the now-worshipped Black! crowd. Would they go back to the 1970s in attitude where they are not worshipped and most (there was AA even then, but it was smaller) better pull their weight?

More importantly, what I wrote in this post is that there are forces that want things to go the way they are going. Steve Sailer does not get this or does not WANT to get this. The solutions to THAT must come from a different sort of person - that's the next post on this.


The Alarmist
Friday - August 30th 2024 12:37AM MST
PS

America ... the Western World is being steered into a black hole. There’s no way back; only through.

Cue Billy Joel

🎶
You may be right.
I may be crazy.
But it might just be a
Lunatic you’re looking for.
🎶

🤡🌎 Honks

🕉

Hail
Thursday - August 29th 2024 8:33PM MST
PS

-- James Lindsay and Steve Sailer --

I don't know if you have much followed the work of James Lindsay, since he first came to attention with the three "extremely-Woke fake academic papers" stunt. (see note)

But people eventually turned against James Lindsay when they realized his anti-Wokeness position was hollow. James Lindsay was a 1980s-style liberal. He argued against Wokeness but had nothing to offer in its stead.

At some point in the early 2020s, James Lindsay crossed a Rubicon and began attacking White-ethnonationalism hard, arguing that such people are an ultimate evil and Wokeness MUST be defeated in order to prevent the rise of a White-ethnonationalist backlash. After this turn, it was clear to me why James Lindsay became so relatively well promoted for a few years there.

In an uncharitable mood I would call James Lindsay a "false opposition." The strongest Sailer critics say the same of him. What is his solution? He never offers solutions, seldom even something we could call "policy proposals."

If you tease them out (as you've done here), and put them into a narrative imitating Sailer's writing voice (as you have here), they don't look like anything much more than "put the clock back to when I was a younger man."

A critic who says, "Weren't there problems in the society that led to Wokeness and the radical anti-white, anti-male, anti-"family formation" etc. regime in that time, x years ago, that you tacitly want to turn the clock back to? That kind of criticism has popped up in the Sailer commentariat for YEARS, but he never really addresses it.

Those who pop up making arguments against some of those "Wokeness sacred-cows" which extend back beyond some past threshold-point (certainly some the "founding myths" of the 1940s, for example; the Good War mythology, and other things), in those cases Sailer gets angry and pushes back.

It's probably true that Sailer grew more conservative (in a general-psychological sense) in the 2010s. He turned sixty in December 2018, and was none too happy about it. He is not a principled political radical who envisions a new system. I don't think he's ever been that, at any stage of his life. Certainly he is not one now.

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(NOTE --- The James Lindsay "fake academic papers" scandal were a series of 2017-18 cases of he and a confederate, both with PhDs, conspired to submit nonsensical but militantly pro-Wokeness material to academic journals, submitted, "peer reviewed," accepted, and published--despite it being gobbeldygook strung together with Woke language. I am sure Sailer wrote about this at the time, because to a degree the fake papers were even surreal-comical. From memory, one was "The racialized-gender dynamics behind the emergence and systematization of dog-on-dog rape culture at U.S. dog parks in the Trump era". The contents were even stupider that the headlines, with implausible data (actually made up). And some of these fake papers got published. When they announced the papers were fake, it created a lot of "gotcha" headlines in Fox News and the like. James Lindsay soon emerged into a career as an anti-Woke dissident and independent academic who went on long diatribes about the supposed intellectual origins of Wokeness. But his act wore thin, for many of us, after a while.)
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