Tucker/iSteve interview Transcript - 2nd 15 minutes


Posted On: Wednesday - July 31st 2024 5:20PM MST
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Steve Sailer [00:15:17] The other thing.

Steve Sailer [00:15:18] But I point out is motor vehicle. Deaths. Motor vehicle deaths per capita. This isn't per mile driven. Weren't too bad. Weren't they? Didn't have big racial differences in the past. Whites, the whites and the blue line often had the worse. Blacks weren't bad. Hispanics weren't good. But then after 2008. Hispanics actually got better. Brown Hispanic line is doing pretty good. The racial reckoning. But you can see the black line just went through the roof again compared to the rest of the 21st century. So what's happened during the Great Awakening, during the era of Black Lives Matter. What we see is that deaths, two different kinds of deaths, homicides and car crashes. When I call deaths of exuberance, in contrast to Case and Edens deaths of despair, seem to be have gone highly correlated. When Black Lives Matter is winning. People die. But people, especially black Americans, die. More deaths of exuberance until Black Lives Matter goes out of fashion again and the cops are allowed to, like, pull over bad drivers and check for illegal handguns.

Steve Sailer [00:16:37] So does anybody know that? No, it's it's.

Steve Sailer [00:16:40] Hardly caught on at all. I mean, part of the problem is because I discovered in 2021, then if you're a social scientist, you want to write a paper for an academic journal. It's kind of like either. Well, either I cite Steve Saylor, but I might get canceled for citing this horrible crime thinker, or I don't cite him. And then his followers on Twitter all get real mad at me for not citing him. Here's my view. Just go ahead. Then it is for me to get publicity about it.

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Steve Sailer [00:18:26] Yeah.

Tucker [00:18:27] But they comport with what you notice.

Steve Sailer [00:18:29] Yeah.

Tucker [00:18:30] Already. I mean, you sort of knew that, you know, when you have riots, people die. And a lot of people who died were black. Not all however. But it was pretty obvious from day one that Black Lives Matter wasn't helping anybody, including and maybe especially black people. So, like, what would be the motive?

Steve Sailer [00:18:46] What's the motive? Now, there were.

Steve Sailer [00:18:50] A lot of motives.

Steve Sailer [00:18:53] For Black Lives Matter one one was.

Steve Sailer [00:18:56] That America had gotten better. After the 1990s, after the crack wars.

Steve Sailer [00:19:05] Policing.

Steve Sailer [00:19:08] The drugs that were driving crime were not particularly marketed to inner city blacks. The opioids.

Steve Sailer [00:19:18] The oxycodone. Even the when Mexican cartels started selling. Black tar heroin, they also focused, like the Sackler family, on, like you know, who are a bunch of people. If they drop dead, nobody's going to care. And that's like, white people in small towns. In Kentucky, that kind of stuff. So you had these had this big rise in deaths of despair.

Tucker [00:19:44] Wait, so you're saying you think that was, the Sacklers and the Mexican drug cartels morally equivalent, I would say, or close, targeted rural whites, Appalachian whites, for example, on purpose, because they knew that nobody would care when they died.

Steve Sailer [00:20:03] I mean, it's it's the theory of, a good. And so, I mean, nobody paid any attention to this increase in the white working class death rate until just fortuitously, in 2015, Angus Deaton was awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics. And then a couple of weeks later, he and his wife published this important paper saying, you know, if you look at the CDC data, life expectancy for white working class people without. College degrees has been dropping in the 21st century. And it's not supposed to happen and seems to be overdoses on painkillers. It seems to be suicide. It seems to be alcoholism, just deaths of despair....

Tucker [00:21:24] Seven years into Obama…..

Steve Sailer [00:21:26] Yeah. You know.

Steve Sailer [00:21:27] 15 years into the into when it started around 2001, the the Sackler families, Purdue Pharmaceuticals started their big.

Steve Sailer [00:21:36] Push for.

Steve Sailer [00:21:37] Opioid prescriptions.

Tucker [00:21:39] But how would no one notice this, I wonder?

Steve Sailer [00:21:43] There's no organizations dedicated to to the welfare of white working class people? So the fact that they're dying in great numbers of novel causes, it basically relied on to.

Steve Sailer [00:21:58] Academics and who.

Steve Sailer [00:22:01] Said, wow, this is interesting. The Nobel Prize just before their paper came out. So people paid attention to their paper because, oh, yeah, I heard about Angus Deaton and the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Prize last month.

Tucker [00:22:17] Well, that's kind of, if I can say it was. It's a I think you're right. But it's sort of interesting if you think about it. There are no organizations dedicated to the welfare of rural whites. Yeah, but there are a lot of organizations dedicated the welfare of a million other groups that are much smaller in number. Yeah. So why aren't there any organizations dedicated to that?

Steve Sailer [00:22:37] You know, a few People have tried to set up organizations that. Speak for white people. The way that Al Sharpton speaks for black people.Other organizations speak for Jewish people or Latinos and so forth, and are highly respectable and are constantly quoted in the newspaper. You know, a bright, very gentlemanly fellow named Jared Taylor tried to do this for the last 30 years. You know, he's still banned. On Twitter at this point. You know, it's, America has a phobia about. Anybody speaking up for the emerging white minority. Everybody. You know. The conventional wisdom is. Whites are rapidly being turned into a minority, and that's a good. But we're not going to treat, ever treat whites like the minority that they're becoming. And in multiple states across the country, we're going to treat them as the all powerful, omnipotent legacy majority who can be blamed for everything from now on.

Tucker [00:23:56] But that's I, I certainly, sure looks like that. Well, I think it's absolutely right. But if their life expectancy is declining faster than anyone else's and they are dying, then I mean, it does seem. A little odd. Yeah. Why about that? I mean, what's the intent there?

Steve Sailer [00:24:16] It's it's a nobody lied so much as they just wonder.

Steve Sailer [00:24:23] Why are you interested in this? What kind of sinister reason do you. 100 million working class white people in the country who are generating these not new problems and dropping dead from.

Steve Sailer [00:24:42] Them and, you know.

Steve Sailer [00:24:45] Putting out the alarm about it.

Steve Sailer [00:24:48] Is.

Steve Sailer [00:24:50] Is just considered some sort of white supremacist, white nationalist. We're just talking about deplorables here, but-

Tucker [00:25:36] Okay. I mean, I get, you know, everyone has preferences and a lot of people, in Washington, New York and L.A. don't like the voting patterns of the population you're describing. But they are human beings and Americans. And if they're going extinct, or they're dying in huge numbers in any case. To ignore that or downplay it is is evil, isn't it?

Steve Sailer [00:25:58] Yeah. I mean, they add.

Steve Sailer [00:26:01] To my view they are our fellow American citizens, as are African.

Steve Sailer [00:26:07] Americans. Yes. And so the fact.

Steve Sailer [00:26:10] That black lives matter in this ironic, complete, self-destructive ness brought about just historic.

Steve Sailer [00:26:21] Changes in the number of Black lives. Dying in kind of the opposite of the the working white working class deaths. So exuberance that you could see it in the Ferguson effect in 20 1516 and now in the huge Floyd effect, the 2020s.

Steve Sailer [00:26:40] I mean, we're talking.

Steve Sailer [00:26:44] Something like an incremental 15 to 20,000 more blacks have died in those in car crashes and murders.

Steve Sailer [00:26:52] Than.

Steve Sailer [00:26:52] If the baseline of a few years ago.

Steve Sailer [00:26:55] Had been maintained. And that's that's just enormous.

Steve Sailer [00:26:59] That's easily the black death rate. Refraining from noticing just because it's embarrassing. Just because.

Tucker [00:27:23] Who's the worst?

Steve Sailer [00:27:25] The convict, the four pounders of the conventional wisdom. The respectable prestige press, academia, the Democratic Party and so forth that they they promoted all of this stuff. They took Black Lives Matter at face value and did very little investigation. Men tend to get shot by the police about 2 to 3 times as often as white men per capita.....

Steve Sailer [00:28:08] That's, that's that's a big difference. Ten times as much as whites get shot by each other, and probably blacks get shot by non police whites. You know, dozens of times less often than the shot by other blacks. You know. Black, young black men in this country have an enormous homicide problem and gun homicide problem. I looked up for young for males age 15 to 34, their death by gun homicide in 2022. And blacks, young black men died about 50, not 15, but 50 times more per capita. By gunfire than young Asian men, 24 times more than young white. Men and six times more than Hispanics. The Hispanics are fairly comparable in poverty rate and education and so forth. And but they don't have anywhere near the kind of, gun problem that. African Americans have developed. But is anybody out there asking young African Americans and telling them, you know, if you guys could not get your homicide rate down to the Hispanic. Way from where it is now, the Hispanic level. This country would be so much better off and race relations would be so much. Better. But, you know, you're not supposed to, crime statistics like that in the newspaper. It's just considered, you know, racist to to mention.
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