Posted On: Monday - May 13th 2024 7:40PM MST
In Topics: Humor Pundits Race/Genetics
The biological and psychological question of nature vs nurture in determination of physical traits of people, just as with other animals, is an interesting one that doesn't seem too controversial. For some reason, the bringing up the same question when discussing personality and intelligence, in people only, seems to be VERY controversial, Most Peak Stupidity readers already know just the guy to expound on the controversy, such as in a section of a book I've been reading lately.
I can't cover the Human BioDiversity (HBD) arguments as Mr. Steve Sailer can, but I did have one quick thought about people's "revealed preferences" as to the question. Revealed preferences are simply "what they do" no matter "what they say", in this case they being women who frequent sperm banks.
Actually, "frequent" might not be the best word for the business with the women customers. They can only make withdrawals and infrequent ones - probably no more than once every 9 months or so. Name notwithstanding, these banks don't pay interest, don't have drive-through windows with pneumatic tubes (though maybe that wouldn't be a bad idea), and don't even give away free toasters.
The thing is, it's very important to the customers who has made the deposits to be withdrawn. Certain ladies may say otherwise, but sperm is apparently not a commodity item. The women may want a tall handsome guy to have made the deposit. Why would they care whether he was a doctor or engineer though, or anything about his personality or intelligence? After all, not all, but most of the women customers would be feminist in nature, and that usually goes along with lefty opinions that don't include a belief in that Human BioDiversity.
That's what they say. What they do is seek out genes that are more likely to provide them smart children. It's pretty obvious what they really believe.
Otherwise, as per a commenter under this related post by Mr. Sailer about DNA testing and IQ:
Would they even let donors provide IQ test results (certified somehow) or let recipients see this info these days? Pictures and descriptions – background, career, and such would be pretty helpful, but all that is moot when you don’t know if all the sperm came from that one guy who runs the lab or maybe the janitor who has a Beyonce poster in his equipment closet.Bank fraud! So what? You should be able to raise the sperm of a janitor into the next International Chess Champion as well as you could anyone else. Just play chess with him a lot. You can take that to the bank.
I wrote in this 1st of 4 posts about the recent Lionel Shriver novel Mania that the main character in that book used sperm from a highly intelligent (145 IQ) Japanese man to conceive 2 of her kids. From what I've read about regression to the mean and just general probabilities, it's doubtful the boy and girl (Darwin and Zanzibar) would have those same IQ numbers within a couple of points. In fact, in the conclusion (not to spoil the ending here), narrator Pearson Converse herself finds she has an IQ of 107 or so. Lionel Shriver would have been well served to have Noticed some of Steve Sailer's writing.
Comments:
Moderator
Tuesday - May 14th 2024 3:47PM MST
PS: Good point, Mr. Blanc. I wouldn't agree with any ban by The State anyway, but I do wonder what this deal says about society.
Moderator
Tuesday - May 14th 2024 3:46PM MST
PS: That's pretty interesting, Mr. Hail. I suppose that was the gentleman who Mr. Sailer wrote about recently. He said he was some handsome rich guy or something (going by memory), and what would that mean if he got doxxed, maybe not do him any harm?
I can see it being very tempting to tweet back when angry. I would say, just stay away from the computer for a while, but then people have their computers in their pockets of hands all day long. It's too bad if he's making the situation worse.
This ought to be interesting. Another interesting question is whether his publisher being a politically active Jewish pro-Israel supporter as you say had any influence on Mr. Sailer's takes on this most recent Middle East war. I don't think Mr. Sailer really wanted to write much about all that, excepting the parts that involve American university campuses and then the recent Jewish turn against "cancel culture", at least when it's about Israel and Zionism. In fact, I have 2 post to put up about the irony, the hypocrisy, and schadenfreude, as the cancel culture comes for Jews.
As I recall, "Mencius Moldbug" was very wordy, so I did not read more that 1 or 2 of his articles back in the day. I didn't know the opinions of his that you stated here.
I still never found out - if you recall from a few times I tried to find out in the iSteve comments* - how much of that fancy red hardback profit would go to iSteve or this gentleman in question. Since Mr. Sailer never gave me even a rough idea, I decided to get 3 of the soft backs, with that shipping discount named after the guy Sailer was in a twitter feud with.
* Some of the commenters thought it was rude, but I just wanted to know if buying that one would be a good in-kind donation to Steve Sailer or that the publisher would get most of it.
I can see it being very tempting to tweet back when angry. I would say, just stay away from the computer for a while, but then people have their computers in their pockets of hands all day long. It's too bad if he's making the situation worse.
This ought to be interesting. Another interesting question is whether his publisher being a politically active Jewish pro-Israel supporter as you say had any influence on Mr. Sailer's takes on this most recent Middle East war. I don't think Mr. Sailer really wanted to write much about all that, excepting the parts that involve American university campuses and then the recent Jewish turn against "cancel culture", at least when it's about Israel and Zionism. In fact, I have 2 post to put up about the irony, the hypocrisy, and schadenfreude, as the cancel culture comes for Jews.
As I recall, "Mencius Moldbug" was very wordy, so I did not read more that 1 or 2 of his articles back in the day. I didn't know the opinions of his that you stated here.
I still never found out - if you recall from a few times I tried to find out in the iSteve comments* - how much of that fancy red hardback profit would go to iSteve or this gentleman in question. Since Mr. Sailer never gave me even a rough idea, I decided to get 3 of the soft backs, with that shipping discount named after the guy Sailer was in a twitter feud with.
* Some of the commenters thought it was rude, but I just wanted to know if buying that one would be a good in-kind donation to Steve Sailer or that the publisher would get most of it.
MBlanc46
Tuesday - May 14th 2024 2:40PM MST
PS There might be specific reasons for a couple doing this: The man having testicular cancer, for example, when they still want to have more children. Otherwise, it shouldn’t happen. Perhaps not be banned by the state. Just something decent people wouldn’t do. We’ll need a different world for that, though.
E. H. Hail
Tuesday - May 14th 2024 11:42AM MST
PS
-- Sailer book publisher identified --
The Guardian today published a hit-piece revealing the identity of the CEO of Passage Press (in the practice known as "doxxing"). Passage Press is the company which published Steve Sailer's book.
The CEO turns out to be a Jewish academic, born about early 1980s, well-off, long active in California. Long active under the name "Lomez," the man had never previously revealed his Jewish origin and, I believe, implied he was a normal White NW-European Christian, the mainline ethnocultural stock of North America. The revelation that he is Jewish has shocked many.
"Lomez" (real name, K-----mann, per The Guardian's attack-piece) is not somebody with some distant Jewish ancestral tie, either. He is said to be deeply tied into the Jewish community in California, well-networked and all. It is said he has ties to political Zionism. He demanded blood-vengeance for the Palestinian raid into Israel of October 2023, in a way that a non-Jewish version of the persona he otherwise had, would not likely have done.
The man is enraged at this Guardian hit-piece. He is acting erratically and half-defiantly at this hour. People always act erratically on social media even in good times. He has also released a claim to the effect that Passage Press total book-sales are on track to reach one million by the end of 2024.
The revelation that Passage Press CEO is Jewish may explain why he has undertaken to publish the entire contents of the Curtis Yarvin blog (Mencius Moldbug), a Jewish intellectual that blamed all the world's problems on Protestants, and said Jews had no hand in any of it, the Jews are innocent, the Protestants are guilty, and may deserve to be given the Amalek treatment along with the horrible Palestinians.
-- Sailer book publisher identified --
The Guardian today published a hit-piece revealing the identity of the CEO of Passage Press (in the practice known as "doxxing"). Passage Press is the company which published Steve Sailer's book.
The CEO turns out to be a Jewish academic, born about early 1980s, well-off, long active in California. Long active under the name "Lomez," the man had never previously revealed his Jewish origin and, I believe, implied he was a normal White NW-European Christian, the mainline ethnocultural stock of North America. The revelation that he is Jewish has shocked many.
"Lomez" (real name, K-----mann, per The Guardian's attack-piece) is not somebody with some distant Jewish ancestral tie, either. He is said to be deeply tied into the Jewish community in California, well-networked and all. It is said he has ties to political Zionism. He demanded blood-vengeance for the Palestinian raid into Israel of October 2023, in a way that a non-Jewish version of the persona he otherwise had, would not likely have done.
The man is enraged at this Guardian hit-piece. He is acting erratically and half-defiantly at this hour. People always act erratically on social media even in good times. He has also released a claim to the effect that Passage Press total book-sales are on track to reach one million by the end of 2024.
The revelation that Passage Press CEO is Jewish may explain why he has undertaken to publish the entire contents of the Curtis Yarvin blog (Mencius Moldbug), a Jewish intellectual that blamed all the world's problems on Protestants, and said Jews had no hand in any of it, the Jews are innocent, the Protestants are guilty, and may deserve to be given the Amalek treatment along with the horrible Palestinians.
The Alarmist
Tuesday - May 14th 2024 6:25AM MST
PS
I once got a nervous laugh out of the female medical assistants at my doc’s office when, after they handed me a cup and told me to fill it, I asked if they had any skin-mags to help me get in the mood.
I once got a nervous laugh out of the female medical assistants at my doc’s office when, after they handed me a cup and told me to fill it, I asked if they had any skin-mags to help me get in the mood.
Moderator
Tuesday - May 14th 2024 5:27AM MST
PS: I didn't read the link from your 2nd comment yet, Adam. If no women select the sperm from those particular vials, does that mean the Gay! Black! sperm donors don't get paid? You ought to get paid on consignment like that. If I were running the place ... well, I better not speculate what would happen, haha.
I guess it's been since the 1970s, Mr. Anderson. I that because banks are too high and mighty to care about new customers or because not many people eat toast or English Muffins anymore?
I guess it's been since the 1970s, Mr. Anderson. I that because banks are too high and mighty to care about new customers or because not many people eat toast or English Muffins anymore?
Moderator
Tuesday - May 14th 2024 5:23AM MST
PS: The story from your 1st link, of which I've read the like, is what I had in mind, Adam. I didn't even think of the health factor aspects, such as David Cline's rheumatoid arthritis, as part of the selection process. With 90 offspring in the same general area, that risk of accidental cousin marriage is something I wouldn't have thought about either.
Then, as per your 2nd link, age does matter as far as risks go.
Your 3rd link - it always seems to be the UK with this stuff (though maybe that's just because those UK sites get into these stories more) - makes me wonder why women don't just get their donations live. I mean, even if they had to pay the guy, perish the thought. Is it that the lesbians as per the UK article hate certain bodily parts THAT much? Maybe they are worried about getting "converted" by accident. Maybe their "partners" are worried about them their getting converted by accident... It's just one night. How bad can it hurt? Show me on the doll where he poked you...
Then, as per your 2nd link, age does matter as far as risks go.
Your 3rd link - it always seems to be the UK with this stuff (though maybe that's just because those UK sites get into these stories more) - makes me wonder why women don't just get their donations live. I mean, even if they had to pay the guy, perish the thought. Is it that the lesbians as per the UK article hate certain bodily parts THAT much? Maybe they are worried about getting "converted" by accident. Maybe their "partners" are worried about them their getting converted by accident... It's just one night. How bad can it hurt? Show me on the doll where he poked you...
Ganderson
Tuesday - May 14th 2024 4:14AM MST
PS
When’s the last time a bank gave away a toaster?
When’s the last time a bank gave away a toaster?
Adam Smith
Monday - May 13th 2024 9:25PM MST
PS: Uh oh!
The FDA ban on HIV infected sperm makes it even harder to overcome the shortage of Black sperm donors...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/10/20/sperm-donor-criteria/
Because America desperately needs moar gay 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤! sperm donors!
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The FDA ban on HIV infected sperm makes it even harder to overcome the shortage of Black sperm donors...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/10/20/sperm-donor-criteria/
Because America desperately needs moar gay 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤! sperm donors!
☮️
Adam Smith
Monday - May 13th 2024 9:17PM MST
PS: Top o' the evenin', Achmed and Friends,
Go forth and multiply???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Cline
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2007/oct/06/medicalscience
https://archive.ph/JcETe
Moar seriously though...
Intelligence, like race, is a social construct.
I mean, it's not like intelligence is heritable or anything...
☮️
Go forth and multiply???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Cline
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2007/oct/06/medicalscience
https://archive.ph/JcETe
Moar seriously though...
Intelligence, like race, is a social construct.
I mean, it's not like intelligence is heritable or anything...
☮️