CDC v NOAA


Posted On: Saturday - November 26th 2022 7:52PM MST
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Here's another post that has cropped up from ideas in a previous Peak Stupidity post on the Kung Flu PanicFest. As we discussed articles on the regrets, recriminations, forgiveness, and forgetting of this huge 2-year-long ball of stupidity (see Kung Flu PanicFest - Forgive and Forget? and More Kung Flu PanicFest Recriminations), one thought that came to mind is this: Why is it that some small US Feral Gov't advisory agency somehow had the ear of, and could direct the actions of, the biggest Totalitarians this country has ever seen?

WHO the hell... ? (Wait, not that WHO, as it's the World Health Organization, so Americans can rightly tell them to go screw themselves. Who the hell is the Centers for Disease Control to be directing governments to lock people in their homes, shut down businesses, force people to wear "protective attire", and force them to take experimental gene therapy treatments?!

"In this corner, the CDC, eeee, eee..."



The CDC started as the Communicable Disease Center, founded in 1946, for Malaria control, Malaria still being a problem in the South at that time. The CDC (same initials, but different name at the time*) was part of the US Public Health Service, and had and has its headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. It had a $1 million budget back then. There were 369 employees, and their biggest job was to spray DDT around to kill mosquitoes. That worked!

The CDC was meant to be a science-based RESEARCH and ADVISORY organization. You run labs** to investigate disease spreading organisms and non-organisms (viruses are closer to the latter). You gather statistics. You make pretty, colorful bar charts and pie graphs to inform the public, so members of said public can make decisions for the safety of themselves and their families. You inform local agencies on where are the most important spots to spray for malaria-spreading mosquitoes. You inform the Feral Gov't as to which countries immigrants and tourists should be banned from due to disease risks.

Slight digression here: Until I gave up and went to the wiki, I found that it is damnably difficult to find the ACTUAL TOTAL budgets for these US Feral Gov't agencies. I mean, you'll get lots of numbers on how this portion of their budget is higher by x much than last year. There's lots of these difference values given (almost all with a big + in front). Lots of web pages tell me about the discretionary portion but not the entire buget. They really don't seem to like for someone to be able to find that one number that says how much the taxpayers are spending. I looked at a 500 page CDC budget report, as a last resort, and gave up on that thing. Sometimes I'm pretty thankful for Wikipedia. I don't think the ctrl-left liars have doctored up those numbers yet.

What I do see is only the '18 budget total for the CDC, while wiki has the '22 budget total for the NOAA. Wiki says $11.1 Billion for '18, but a pie chart (Figure 2) on this Congressional Research Service page adds up to $16.4 billion for '22. The CDC had 10,900 employees 7 years ago. That's a lot of pie charts!

"And, in this corner, the NOAA, aaay, aaay ..."



I'll state right off the bat here, that I like these guys. The NOAA and the NTSB are a couple of agencies, and I could probably come up with a dozen more, that I actually appreciate being part of the US Government. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Organization was established as part of the cabinet-level Department of Commerce in 1970, but its history goes way back to some of the oldest agencies in the Federal Gov't. Per wiki:

United States Coast and Geodetic Survey, formed in 1807.
Weather Bureau of the United States, formed in 1870.
Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, formed in 1871 (research fleet-only).
Coast and Geodetic Survey Corps, formed in 1917.
Now, these are some agencies that had REAL men doing the REAL science of the day! A hard-core Libertarian could make a case for private versions of these, but I do understand the need for groups of scientists, technicians, and surveyors that could gather nationwide information of use for all the various States. (OK, that'd be many, in the case of fisheries.) In fact, a sort of State crowd-funding or even private crowd-funding of the gathering of this type of information would be, if anything, MORE feasible today with the internet. "Yeah, that's my buoy out there at 25 degrees, 35 minutes north, 65 degrees, 10 minutes west in the Sargasso Sea! See my cloud cover data? For the price of a cup of vente latte cappuccino every hour, you too ..."

For '22, the NOAA had a budget of about $7 Billion, less than 1/2 that of the CDC, with 11,000 employees. That's almost the same number of employees that the CDC had 7 years ago.

The NOAA guys come out with their various weather and climate "products" (uggh, yeah, Peak Stupidity has written about every service being a "product" now) for boaters and aviators, and lots of other stuff that I'm sure is just as useful. Except for those unfortunate folks in the Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, the Carolinas, and occasionally spots northward, we all enjoy watching the progress of the winds and water involved on those Hurricane Center maps of many kinds. Even if you can't enjoy them, those maps are pretty darned useful.

For aviators, there are prognostic charts, maps of surface conditions, winds aloft, icing forecasts, any kinda thing anyone could possibly want, updated daily, every 12 hours, every 6 hours, whatever...

All that I have seen come from the NOAA is what one should expect, RESEARCH and ADVICE. As of yet, I don't hear of governments ruling the population based on what the NOAA tells them. That could change ... this NOAA page - yeah, I was trying to look up their budget ... - has the title: NOAA FY 2022 budget advances America’s response to the climate crisis. Ahh, geeze! Oh, BTW, the page shows $57.9 million for Equity, no wait, that's a $57.9 increase in the Equity budget! I just hope they can still give us decent terminal forecasts with all these new Equity people.

This foray into the Climate Calamity™ by the NOAA is worrisome. It's not just mission creep. When one of these organizations hits the big-time "working" in an area that his a current favorite of the Globalist, Communist destroyers of the nation, the money starts pouring in, and the girl agency just can't help it.

That's what happened with the CDC. The government and Lyin' Press big shots treated them like omniscient gods for their coming out with charts and advice about that virus out of the Orient. They made the big time and loved every minute of it. They will budget for '23 accordingly. From the CDC Statement on President’s Fiscal Year 2023 Budget:
In addition, the CDC budget includes new proposed mandatory funding to establish a Vaccines for Adults program and to invest in pandemic preparedness.
Interesting. So, they are ready to develop adult vaccination schedules as there have been for the kids. Hey, what do you want them to do, return the funding back to the people or something?

That's what it comes down to: Do the high office holders treat these organizations as gods, or do they just understand that they are research and advisory agencies, for the benefit of the American people? The CDC made the big time, and I hope the NOAA never does.

In this match anyway, it's the NOAA by a knock-out!

Thank you all for reading and commenting this week! Next week, we need to get to that last AA post, there will have to be one more post on the Chinese Covid~Zero stupidity - this one got people killed - there's always more immigration stupidity, and we may finally write more on the J6 Political Prisoners. How 'bout some good music, at least, if you don't care for any of that. Have a happy Sunday, Peakers!



* Its name was changed to the current one, keeping the initials, in 1980.

** Such as the Biosafety Level 4 labs, built in 2013.

Comments:
Sam J.
Tuesday - November 29th 2022 1:12AM MST
PS

I took the budget and divided by employees for the CDC, $1,009,174, OMG. I believe they actually did some good in the past but now they just feed us disinformation.

It’s so sad what has happened to this country.
Make Helicopters Great Again
Monday - November 28th 2022 6:49AM MST
PS Brandon has extended the COV-LARP emergency until the end of next year.
CDC and others are career bureaucrat apparatchiks with an agenda beyond any loyalties to tribe or nation.
Anyone who thinks that government gives a rip about their health outside of stay healthy so you can work and pay taxes is too stupid to exist.
Who elected the WHO and where was the vote on rule by technocratic "experts" located externally?
Adam Smith
Sunday - November 27th 2022 10:29PM MST
PS: "This is not my beautiful Republic!" Indeed! ☮
Adam Smith
Sunday - November 27th 2022 10:28PM MST
PS: Good evening, Mr. Moderator,

Yeah, there is a post somewhere with some of these sorts of stories from my travels in Georgia. Those were a couple years after the events told in this chapter, after I let my "license" expire. (I remember you and Dieter and I commenting under that post.)

This part of the story is (kinda) the beginning. Fortunately there is a part two to this chapter, with a much happier ending. You see, after this encounter in Orchard Park I still had to go to West Seneca to face one more "driving with a suspended license" (or some such) charge. Too tired to write it tonight, but it worked out better than my encounter with Edward Pace.

Cheers to a great evening!

Moderator
Sunday - November 27th 2022 9:45PM MST
PS: Thanks for the great comments, all. Mr. Smith, I think you have related some of your driving/motor vehicle stories before. I have many smaller ones. We all must have had some moment at which we realized "this is not my beautiful Repubic!" For me, it was the world of big business that I got disgusted with first.

Well, gotta write on China tomorrow. That really is a big story at this point. My China connection told me about the fire in Urumiqi, burning people locked inside, I think on Friday, maybe even Thursday night. This was the last straw for many Chinamen. My source says the protestors have no chance against the CCP, but we'll see.
Adam Smith
Sunday - November 27th 2022 2:05PM MST
PS: Greetings, Messrs. Blanc, Alarmist and Moderator,

Mr. Blanc wrote: “Mission Creep is an almost inevitable characteristic of bureaucratic entities. Mission Creep along with Eternal Life (once a bureaucratic entity is established, it is nearly impossible to terminate it) almost guarantee that said entity will encroach on the prerogatives of the citizenry. Citizens who aren’t constantly vigilant and jealous of their rights, will very likely lose those rights.” - Agree! (x1000)

Even those of us who are vigilant and jealous of our rights will likely loose them if most everyone else is insouciant and unconcerned about such things.

Mr. Alarmist...

“The house of every one is to him as his castle and fortress, as well for his defense against injury and violence as for his repose.” - Edward Coke

“The poorest man may, in his cottage, bid defiance to all the forces of the crown. It may be frail, its roof may shake, the wind may blow through it, the storm may enter, the rain may enter; but the king of England cannot enter! All his force dare not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement.” - William Pitt

“Whether for the better or not, both of those things have either been legislated or adjudicated away over the years, as have also many of the principles related to freedom of movement and bodily autonomy.”

I'd say in many a case these things have been contracted away. (Albeit unknowingly, unwillingly and involuntarily.)

“As for due process, it is not for thee unless you are a member of the club.” True enough. A little story about due process...

Once upon a time I got pulled over in Orchard Park, NY for a blown out tail light. The cop wrote me a ticket and explained that it was one of those tickets where I had 10 days to fix the tail light and show my working tail light to the cops and they would drop the charge. So, I fixed the tail light the next day and a couple days later I took the car to the police station and showed the cops and they said I was good to go. (I was rather young and naive. Looking back, I'd even say stupid. I never asked for a receipt.)

Then, a couple years (yes, years) later, I got pulled over late one night in West Seneca. I wasn't speeding and I had no idea why I was being stopped. The cop approached the car with his pistol drawn and was shouting at me rather aggressively. “Get out of the car! Get on the ground!” What the hell I thought? So I tried to ask what the problem was. Well, I guess super cop in all his roid rage didn't like my attitude or something so he violently extracted me from my car and helped me “get on the ground”... Face first onto the ice. His knee in my back and his pistol to the back of my head. He then cuffed me and threw me into his cruiser and had my car impounded. He took me and locked me in a cage for the rest of the night. In the morning I was transferred to Orchard Park.

My “crime”: Driving with a suspended license.

What caused my my “suspension”?: The tail light violation from a couple years earlier. Did they loose the paper work on accident or on purpose? I will never know. Anyway, it cost $400 in bail and another few hundred for the towing and impound fees.

Then came my “court” date in Orchard Park. I told the “judge” (Edward Pace*) that I had fixed my tail light and that this was all a big misunderstanding. Some simple paper work violation at most. I felt wronged and taken advantage of and surely there must be an easy way to fix this. He told me that that I could plead guilty and he'd accept my $400 for my crime. “But I'm not guilty!” (I tried to explain in vain as if this guy were a normal, reasonable human and not some statist sociopath looking to raise revenue and advance his career.) “I want a jury trial! Sixth amendment! Liberty and justice for all!” (or something like that. As I said, I was young, naive and optimistic. Perhaps stupid.)

At which point the black hearted “judge” in the black robe looked me dead in the eye and said...

“I can put you in jail for up to a year and keep your $400 without a trial. You are not entitled to a trial, jury or otherwise. I accept your not guilty plea and I find you guilty as charged. That'll be $400. Get out of my court room!” He refrained from laughing like a Bond villain, but he got his point across just the same. I was never getting my $400 back whether I liked it or not.

And that's the day when I learned that I was not in the club. I also learned that day that having a so called “driver's license” is a commercial contract that impairs my so called “natural rights” and that playing by their “rules” in no guarantee that I will not enjoy a little state violence inflicted on me by armed “government” workers.

It did open my eyes to the situation we find ourselves in and dispelled me of the illusions I once harbored.

*This fuckin' guy...
https://pacelawpllc.com/edward-a-pace%2C-esq
https://www.orchardparkbee.com/articles/pace-departs-as-longtime-town-justice-for-spot-on-state-supreme-court/

Happy Sunday everyone!
I hope you all have a great rest of the weekend!

MBlanc46
Sunday - November 27th 2022 12:30PM MST
PS Mission Creep is an almost inevitable characteristic of bureaucratic entities. Mission Creep along with Eternal Life (once a bureaucratic entity is established, it is nearly impossible to terminate it) almost guarantee that said entity will encroach on the prerogatives of the citizenry. Citizens who aren’t constantly vigilant and jealous of their rights, will very likely lose those rights.
The Alarmist
Sunday - November 27th 2022 12:01PM MST
PS

Under Common Law, a man’s home used to be his castle, his to defend with as much force as necessary to ensure the safety of himself, his family and his property. It also used to be impossible for a husband to be ajudged to have raped his wife while they were married and living together. Whether for the better or not, both of those things have either been legislated or adjudicated away over the years, as have also many of the principles related to freedom of movement and bodily autonomy. As for due process, it is not for thee unless you are a member of the club.

We witness Cloward-Piven at work every day, and America’s judiciary have played a key role all along the way to leading America to its breaking point.

Same goes for the rest of the Western World. The reason the EU insists on its member countries have a robust and independent judiciary is precisely because appointed judges are the best way to destroy a country and the society within it.

SCOTUS was never intended by the founders to be a co-equal branch of government. SCOTUS was supposed to stick to their knitting and adjudicate the laws enacted by the People’s Representatives and their President, as enforced by that President and his executive branch.

The power for the courts to interpret the Constitution is the power to destroy. This is self evident.

The Daily Stupid
Sunday - November 27th 2022 11:29AM MST
PS: Poster Boy for Vaccination Campaign Dies Suddenly at Just 4 Years Old

Imagine how much worse he would have died if he was unvaccinated.

https://archive.ph/ODAV0
https://tinyurl.com/ym3yn6re
https://tinyurl.com/37ykehh2

Adam Smith
Sunday - November 27th 2022 10:42AM MST
PS: I forgot the quote...

“The right to travel is part of the Liberty of which a citizen cannot deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment.” “In Anglo-Saxon law that right was emerging at least as early as the Magna Carta.”

Kent vs. Dulles, 357 US 116 (1958)

(https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/357/116/)

Adam Smith
Sunday - November 27th 2022 10:39AM MST
PS: Good afternoon, Messrs. Alarmist and Moderator,

Surely these proposed vaxx “passports” are intended only for law abiding white people and white adjacent oriental folk. Vaxx “passports” for migrants, refugees and africans is almost as Rayciss! as expecting ID from persons of a colour before they're allowed to vote. (Maybe it's moar Rayciss!, I don't know‽ I'm so confused anymore!)

“𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘣𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘬𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘶𝘴, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘪𝘵'𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘭 𝘶𝘴.”

Why not both?

This vaxx “passport” nonsense does make me wonder how the U.S. courts will allow this to be forced upon us while giving us the illusion that the policy has been brought into harmony with the common law a la Kent v. Dulles.*

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/357/116/

I guess the COVID emergency is forever, in perpetuity.(?)
(Forever 𝙞𝙨 a long time, don't 'cha know.)

COVID-19 = The gift that keeps on giving!

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/27/the-us-is-certainly-still-in-a-covid-19-pandemic-dr-fauci-says.html

* Lulz! They don't even try anymore. Common law? What are you Mr. Smith, some sort of Sovereign Citizen or something?

Moderator
Sunday - November 27th 2022 6:09AM MST
PS: That G-20 vaxx passport plan is to be the subject of a post this week. No, they don't care about your contraindications one bit, Alarmist.

The mission may be to kill us, but I think it's to control us. I do wonder whether the 2 million illegal aliens coming in from the south every year will need those things. I can hear it now ... "Vaxx passports? We don't need no steeenking ."
The Alarmist
Sunday - November 27th 2022 5:16AM MST
PS

When the G20 tossed out their intent to implement vaxx passports, my first thought was “resist.” But I was still curious what it might mean if I didn’t resist: Would I need to get everything all over again because, like many Americans, I don’t have access to my childhood or even adult medical records. But I still had my yellow-book vaxx records from the military, and it turns out a fairly complete record of everything they might be looking for aside from HPV and, hepatitis, and COVID, none of which I will ever get. I even have recorded contraindications that should have exempted me from the death stab mandate, but I understand a lot of these were being ignored by the relevant authorities.... because the mission is to kill is, not help us.
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