Posted On: Tuesday - March 19th 2024 7:14AM MST
In Topics: Elections '16 - '24 US Police State US Feral Government The Neocons
Peak Stupidity has had it with Mike Pence. He is of absolutely no use to this country! (His use by the Potomac Regime - that's a different story.) We rightly railed on this Indianan, and former Vice President last summer - see GOPer Mike Pence - Another dumb Trump hire - - The stupidity of Mike Pence and More on Alleged Mike Pence Stupidity. Note that the "More" post was a rethinking of my disparagement of Mr. Pence from one interview, based on comments by E.H. Hail. From what you too can see, below, I think I'm reverting to thinking this guy's not just slow but well-meaning. He's not on our side.
First of all, yeah, he was a stupid hire by Mr. Trump, as I explained in that 1st post. My thinking now is that Trump wanted to make sure he had someone bland who would not get in the way of the spotlight on Trump. The latter's ego is so big, that this is more important than having someone more intelligent and capable than a Mike Pence, and, most importantly, loyally on, if not the side of Donald Trump, the side of Americans. This is why he will not pick the splendid Marjorie Taylor Greene for VP candidate. She's smart as a whip and truly on the side of Trump and Americans. However, she will gladly and competently do the disparagement of the ctrl-left Regime, especially its media arm, that Trump
I came across the following video from Face the Nation. I had NO IDEA that was still on TV, and therefore no idea who the woman is. I'm including just a minute of this, in which Pence says that Trump should not call the J6 Political Prisoners "hostages". (Oh, yeah, he explains himself more, and one can watch the whole 11 minutes. It doesn't get any better.)
Now, look, I could quibble with the use of the word "hostages" too, based on dictionary definitions. Because there are no demands being made by the Communists holding them in return for their release, the word hostage is not really accurate. I explained this already here.
No, the over 1,000 J6 prisoners are being held to discourage anyone else from even trying to hold a big protest against the Regime again. We also all know that their sentencing and treatment is much, much harsher than the consequences were for the Black! thugs of BLM and the Commies of antifa, for much more serious destruction, looting and burning. Almost all of the latter were never even arrested. Those on one side of a political divide are being held for visibly being in opposition to the other side, the ruling Potomac Regime. The proper term is "Political Prisoner".
However, Mike Pence didn't quibble about that definition. He deflected the question toward some American hostages being held in Gaza. The Peak Stupidity reader may note that WE DON'T CARE here so much about anything going on there. We want the American military and American taxpayer money to stay out, that's all. Yet Mike Pence obviously cares more about a conflict 1/3 the way around the world than he does about a very obvious Communist takeover right here at home. He has no idea how far this has gone already and how far it is going. The dude is living in the last century! That's my most generous take on the man.
A less generous take on Mike Pence is that he is playing his part in the politics of the Potomac Regime. American patriots should have nothing to do with him.
PS: At the beginning, there is a clip of Trump speaking to a crowd about the J6 Political Prisoners. He's soft. He never said clearly that he will pardon them. In that previous post, Hostages or Political Prisoners, I wrote "Finally, if Donald Trump gets elected this November and then doesn't pardon these people on January 20th of '25, then he is just the tool I often think of him as."
Comments:
Hail
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 9:20PM MST
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RE: Pence's claim of "American hostages in Gaza"
These are Jews. Any one of them would, at the most, be "dual citizens." There are no ordinary Middle-America types among those abducted from Israel in October 2023. These are paranational types who shopped around for passports and found fertile field in the USA for dual-passporting in their case.
Here we have an example of the fallacy of conservatives: they believe that by LOUDLY promoting the interests of Jews above the interests of non-Jewish Americans, they will persuade powerful and influential Jews to take the side of White-Christians in North America. The logic works (we also hear it regularly from Steve Sailer), but I long ago concluded it is actually a mistake. I concluded that the Peak Stupidity position on Israel/Zionism, a strict "Neutrality," is the correct position.
When you hear people implicitly praise Jews or Israeli-Jews specifically as superiors to Americans, some of the time it is people conditioned -- by cultural osmosis -- to believe in Jewish superiority, and they are doing so without really thinking about it, like the Texan who likes the Dallas Cowboys (there's not a great deal to gain by inquiring to th Cowboys fan: "Why?").
But those from the rightward quarter of so, at least, of the bell curve of "thinking about things," they consciously signal that Jews are superior and of higher moral-worth than White-Christians, as an ongoing attempted political bargain. Thee "bargain" never seems to work out.
The classic Christian doctrine that biblical-Israel is the Christian Church, and that the people calling themselves Jews today are not part of this but no closer to the Christian Church than are Muslims and maybe some other groups, has been greatly undermined in the political arena. Pence is a classic example of this.
RE: Pence's claim of "American hostages in Gaza"
These are Jews. Any one of them would, at the most, be "dual citizens." There are no ordinary Middle-America types among those abducted from Israel in October 2023. These are paranational types who shopped around for passports and found fertile field in the USA for dual-passporting in their case.
Here we have an example of the fallacy of conservatives: they believe that by LOUDLY promoting the interests of Jews above the interests of non-Jewish Americans, they will persuade powerful and influential Jews to take the side of White-Christians in North America. The logic works (we also hear it regularly from Steve Sailer), but I long ago concluded it is actually a mistake. I concluded that the Peak Stupidity position on Israel/Zionism, a strict "Neutrality," is the correct position.
When you hear people implicitly praise Jews or Israeli-Jews specifically as superiors to Americans, some of the time it is people conditioned -- by cultural osmosis -- to believe in Jewish superiority, and they are doing so without really thinking about it, like the Texan who likes the Dallas Cowboys (there's not a great deal to gain by inquiring to th Cowboys fan: "Why?").
But those from the rightward quarter of so, at least, of the bell curve of "thinking about things," they consciously signal that Jews are superior and of higher moral-worth than White-Christians, as an ongoing attempted political bargain. Thee "bargain" never seems to work out.
The classic Christian doctrine that biblical-Israel is the Christian Church, and that the people calling themselves Jews today are not part of this but no closer to the Christian Church than are Muslims and maybe some other groups, has been greatly undermined in the political arena. Pence is a classic example of this.
Hail
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 8:33PM MST
PS
-- on Pence's motivation, and whether it changed in 2020 --
Old Soldier says that Pence "wants a few more fat paychecks to sweeten his own retirement"
It's hard to say what he wants, but cash-payouts from someone from voicing opposition to Trump seems unlikely to me.
The Pences you meet in the course of life are seldom motivated by getting any more money than a basic middle-class life calls for. It is this type of personality that built the USA, in many ways. They are interested in community-building and not in running off in the night with sacks full of gold bars. There are ethnopolitical groups active in the USA who often do favor looting for personal gain "as a matter of course," but it's not the Pences.
So what is Pence's motivation? -- It seems more like social-respectability. But even that fails, because he got in with Trump the first time and stayed with him for 4.5 years (mid-2016 nomination to early Jan. 2021).
The answer may be that Trump began to personally insult Pence, whereas he never had done that before. This may be a surprisingly petty reason for someone with Pence's image, but it also lays atop a larger pile, in which is to be included Pence's existing skepticism of Trump's ability to stick to policies and Pence's own mid-20th-century-style conservatism.
Another open question is how much the events of 2020 itself, the Corona-Panic that gathered steam in about February and lasted throughout the entire year, and the "Color Revolution" associated with the protests and riots of the middle months of the year.
The insider's account of the White House Corona-Panic Task Force, as written by Scott Atlas, depicts Pence as aloof, not sufficiently aware that the Panic was more of an evil mass-delusion than anything. Trump was characteristically bragging about how he himself would defeat the Virus (including with the injections he developed, marketed as a Vaccine). The correct position was to try to defeat the Panic, not the Virus.
After March 2020, Pence and everyone else were operating under a Virus Junta with uncertain leadership but associated symbolically with people like Fauci. Pence seemed to be aware of the Virus Junta and it's major social power, and decided to ride it out. This can be called another mark against Pence, whereas by about May 2020 you had DeSantis using executive-power in Florida to rally an Anti-Panic coalition and take measures to deflate the Panic's power.
Pence was nominally loyal to Trump as president, but in Spring 2020 he had to become also loyal and deferential to the Pro-Panic coalition and the immense social-force of it, and the Virus Junta that ran everything, and then observed a kind of Color Revolution, which virtually immediately joined forces with the Corona-Panic, all reinforcing the Regime itself, in a kind of huge-scale internal coup that exceeded even the initial shocking internal-coup with the Corona-Panic itself. By mid-2020, you had a truly radicalized Wokeness ascendant everywhere, and you began seeing lots and lots of U.S. embassies abroad signalling loyalty to the new order by flying Black Lives Matter and LGBTQiAX+ flags atop the embassies. When that kind of thing happens, you know it's a big deal. When the Regime then radicalized things in January 2021 and sent tens of thousands of "national guard" to defend against internal enemies, it was obviously another big sign of the same.
Amid all this, Pence himself ultimately choosing to side with the Regime is not surprising. Absent the Corona-Panic of 2020, it's possible the image and role of Pence would be far different. So, for me, it all traces to the Corona-Panic. Pence is just a player in that drama, and in the follow-on dramas from it.
-- on Pence's motivation, and whether it changed in 2020 --
Old Soldier says that Pence "wants a few more fat paychecks to sweeten his own retirement"
It's hard to say what he wants, but cash-payouts from someone from voicing opposition to Trump seems unlikely to me.
The Pences you meet in the course of life are seldom motivated by getting any more money than a basic middle-class life calls for. It is this type of personality that built the USA, in many ways. They are interested in community-building and not in running off in the night with sacks full of gold bars. There are ethnopolitical groups active in the USA who often do favor looting for personal gain "as a matter of course," but it's not the Pences.
So what is Pence's motivation? -- It seems more like social-respectability. But even that fails, because he got in with Trump the first time and stayed with him for 4.5 years (mid-2016 nomination to early Jan. 2021).
The answer may be that Trump began to personally insult Pence, whereas he never had done that before. This may be a surprisingly petty reason for someone with Pence's image, but it also lays atop a larger pile, in which is to be included Pence's existing skepticism of Trump's ability to stick to policies and Pence's own mid-20th-century-style conservatism.
Another open question is how much the events of 2020 itself, the Corona-Panic that gathered steam in about February and lasted throughout the entire year, and the "Color Revolution" associated with the protests and riots of the middle months of the year.
The insider's account of the White House Corona-Panic Task Force, as written by Scott Atlas, depicts Pence as aloof, not sufficiently aware that the Panic was more of an evil mass-delusion than anything. Trump was characteristically bragging about how he himself would defeat the Virus (including with the injections he developed, marketed as a Vaccine). The correct position was to try to defeat the Panic, not the Virus.
After March 2020, Pence and everyone else were operating under a Virus Junta with uncertain leadership but associated symbolically with people like Fauci. Pence seemed to be aware of the Virus Junta and it's major social power, and decided to ride it out. This can be called another mark against Pence, whereas by about May 2020 you had DeSantis using executive-power in Florida to rally an Anti-Panic coalition and take measures to deflate the Panic's power.
Pence was nominally loyal to Trump as president, but in Spring 2020 he had to become also loyal and deferential to the Pro-Panic coalition and the immense social-force of it, and the Virus Junta that ran everything, and then observed a kind of Color Revolution, which virtually immediately joined forces with the Corona-Panic, all reinforcing the Regime itself, in a kind of huge-scale internal coup that exceeded even the initial shocking internal-coup with the Corona-Panic itself. By mid-2020, you had a truly radicalized Wokeness ascendant everywhere, and you began seeing lots and lots of U.S. embassies abroad signalling loyalty to the new order by flying Black Lives Matter and LGBTQiAX+ flags atop the embassies. When that kind of thing happens, you know it's a big deal. When the Regime then radicalized things in January 2021 and sent tens of thousands of "national guard" to defend against internal enemies, it was obviously another big sign of the same.
Amid all this, Pence himself ultimately choosing to side with the Regime is not surprising. Absent the Corona-Panic of 2020, it's possible the image and role of Pence would be far different. So, for me, it all traces to the Corona-Panic. Pence is just a player in that drama, and in the follow-on dramas from it.
Hail
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 7:30PM MST
PS
What is the chance Trump chooses a woman for vice-president in 2024?
The good thing about Pence was you knew what you'd get. Predictability and reliability are good qualities, all else equal. With a lot of women politicians, it will be less so, and sometimes you'll get things you didn't expect at all.
The above is true of a lot of men, too. It's basically true of Trump, come to think of it. He is a showman and while hard-working in one sense he is intellectual lazy.
Dernald has a lot the "carnival-barker" to him. The Pence choice in 2016 was, in part, a case of Trump recognizing his own weakness and seeking to compensate for it. The 2024 version of Trump is not like this and is liable to pick a pure con-man or politically-fluff pretty woman...
What is the chance Trump chooses a woman for vice-president in 2024?
The good thing about Pence was you knew what you'd get. Predictability and reliability are good qualities, all else equal. With a lot of women politicians, it will be less so, and sometimes you'll get things you didn't expect at all.
The above is true of a lot of men, too. It's basically true of Trump, come to think of it. He is a showman and while hard-working in one sense he is intellectual lazy.
Dernald has a lot the "carnival-barker" to him. The Pence choice in 2016 was, in part, a case of Trump recognizing his own weakness and seeking to compensate for it. The 2024 version of Trump is not like this and is liable to pick a pure con-man or politically-fluff pretty woman...
The Alarmist
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 3:57PM MST
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PS: With Tulsi, we get a “Betty” (surfer parlance) as POTUS when they off Trump.
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PS: With Tulsi, we get a “Betty” (surfer parlance) as POTUS when they off Trump.
🕉
The Alarmist
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 3:55PM MST
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I had it with Pence in 2016... just sayin’
The Rent is too damned high!
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I had it with Pence in 2016... just sayin’
The Rent is too damned high!
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Old Soldier
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 3:14PM MST
PS MBlanc46: "the Dems are going to steal the election again, and give the Repubs the middle-finger salute and ask them, “What are you going to do about it?” The answer, of course, will be “Nothing”." Amen brother MB. It's been 40+ months since the stolen election and Republicans have done what about the election? ...one weak speech after another followed my months of absolutely nothing. Heck, it took 37 months for the House Republicans just to pass a bill impeaching Mayorkas...and the Senate has done NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL with it. The House Republicans are just one comedy "do nothing" show after another. And they won't do anything over the coming 8 months either. And Pence? ...he's been smiling all along, just smiling. He knows the score in DC, he's an integral part of the swamp, he knows the Democrats aren't going to be touched by the weak, feckless Republicans. Contrary to what anyone says, Pence is just another Democrat (he's too far LEFT to be called a RINO). He's just waiting on another chance to get back into the swamp, he wants a few more fat paychecks to sweeten his own retirement.
Adam Smith
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 2:16PM MST
PS: Good evening, fellow peakers!
I probably should have called those pictures the “not so exciting adventures of Mike Pence”. (but whatever...)
More seriously though...
There is only one candidate who could turn this shipshow around...
https://vermin2024.com/
Free Ponies! ☮️
I probably should have called those pictures the “not so exciting adventures of Mike Pence”. (but whatever...)
More seriously though...
There is only one candidate who could turn this shipshow around...
https://vermin2024.com/
Free Ponies! ☮️
The Adventures of Mike Pence
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 2:08PM MST
PS: Introducing the exciting adventures of Mike Pence!
https://i.ibb.co/pwdx285/Pulse.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/zXr21qn/Kamala.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/DR2S6QL/Vivek.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jRLmfdP/Trump-Tweet.png
https://i.ibb.co/y56djvd/Pence-MAGA.png
The End. ☮️
https://i.ibb.co/pwdx285/Pulse.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/zXr21qn/Kamala.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/DR2S6QL/Vivek.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jRLmfdP/Trump-Tweet.png
https://i.ibb.co/y56djvd/Pence-MAGA.png
The End. ☮️
Moderator
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 1:17PM MST
PS: I think this balancing the ticket thing is a thing of the past now though, Mr. Blanc. Things are so polarized. Someone I talked to about the VP choice for Trump for '24 mentioned Tulsi Gabbard. First of all, I made it known that I don't think much of her (same with RFK, Jr.) for other reasons - each is good on one issue but non-Conservative on a whole lot else. Anyway, he mentioned that she could take those 4 electoral votes she could help garner.
Well, Hawaii will vote D as it always has, regardless of Tulsi Gabbard, and she will turn off people like, say, me. Better get someone that may incentivize the left to care deeply about Donald Trump's health, haha!
Anyway, I agree with the rest, as depressing as it is. We'll see, I guess.
Well, Hawaii will vote D as it always has, regardless of Tulsi Gabbard, and she will turn off people like, say, me. Better get someone that may incentivize the left to care deeply about Donald Trump's health, haha!
Anyway, I agree with the rest, as depressing as it is. We'll see, I guess.
MBlanc46
Tuesday - March 19th 2024 11:19AM MST
PS At the time, I thought that Pence was a reasonable VP pick. A standard-issue Midwestern Repub who would “balance the ticket”. No one knew then that the Dems were going to steal the 2020 election and that the certification of the vote was going to be a monumental issue. I don’t think that Pence was different to any other Repub pol in that regard. No establishment pol was going to cause a constitutional crisis. If Mr Trump were asking me, which he isn’t, I’d recommend that he pick a pretty generic Repub running mate this year. It doesn’t matter all that much, because the Dems are going to steal the election again, and give the Repubs the middle-finger salute and ask them, “What are you going to do about it?” The answer, of course, will be “Nothing”.
The above is true of a lot of men, too. It's basically true of Trump, come to think of it. He is a showman and while hard-working in one sense he is intellectual lazy. "
I agree, especially with Trump having quite a few female personality traits. I'd name his vindictiveness as one of these - might help us with the Letitia James if he gets elected, but didn't with the Jeff Sessions and such.
However, as to Mike Pence, could Trump, if he wanted someone good for our cause, have not picked Rand Paul for instance, or a whole lot of other people who were known to be on the ACTUAL side of Americans. Mike Pence simply isn't. He sounds like he spends his days watching CNN.