Posted On: Monday - December 11th 2023 7:04PM MST
In Topics: Lefty MegaStupidity Race/Genetics Legal Stupidity
(Caution: Reader discretion advised! There are references in this post to pieces of video containing very bad memories of plexiglas and face masks. Rated PG-19.)
I've read questions and discussion about the "First Responders"* and their role in the life and death of National Martyr George Floyd, that otherwise ordinary (for black reprobates) Monday in May of '20. We'll just go old-school here and call them EMS or ambulance drivers and firemen and -women.
That firewoman above is at-the-time 2-year employee of the Minneapolis Fire Department, one Genevieve Hansen. The screenshot above from The Fall of Minneapolis was taken in the courtroom during the criminal trial of cop Derek Chauvin. (The reader should start at the 55:45 mark.) She doesn't look good in it. I don't mean that just her non-girlish figure and the various dumb looks on her face. She comes across as completely for the Narrative of George Floyd the Martyr. Well, I suppose she was a witness for the prosecution (as far as I know), fair enough, but she can be seen as a bullshitter, to say the least.
The cops called a dispatcher for EMS 36 seconds after finally getting this guy pinned down. That's when they were sure he had medical problems, though they must have had a real clue since the time he rolled down the window of his car long before. At some point later, maybe a couple of minutes - no more than 9 - Miss Hansen was at the scene, but not on duty. She made an effort to ask the cops about EMS, and they told her something about it. At that point she became one with the on-looking harrassers, both unprofessional in actions and looks. The documentary shows all this.
Back to the trial, Miss Hansen told the attorney questioning her that she knew there was a Fire Station, #17, just a couple of blocks away. The question put to her was whether the cops were supposed to arrange that or the dispatchers. Of course the dispatchers do, and she had to know that already. I do, and I'm not a first, second, or even third responder (unless it's by accident). (Go to 57:12 in the documentary for this.) My question as the defense attorney x-examining this piece of work would have been "If the fire station is only 2 blocks away, why didn't YOU run down there yourself to alert someone, since the dispatchers were having miscommunications with the firemen?"
That was the deal - there was a delay (over 8 minutes) in the arrival of the ambulance - which came before any firemen, who had arrived, but at the Cup Foods, which was no longer where the cops and George Floyd were. It couldn't have been far, as the guy never ran, and the whole reason this controversial knee on the shoulder/neck move was done was because they never could get him fully into one of the police cars. Was that delay and miscommunications due to AA in the hiring of dispatchers? That's very possible, but I don't know.
The video shows transcription of a few calls related to this delay on the police radio. (@ 58:50.) See what you think.
Peak Stupidity will not analyze the whole Derek Chauvin/George Floyd story. There's the documentary, and our readers likely have found many sources and already formed solid opinions. There's one more small piece of the story I may write about, but it's only tangentially related to the whole thing.
It's time for something different tomorrow. Back to China? Not physically, but yeah...
* Actually he cops are considered to be First Responders too, but they are what this story is all about, their being there the whole time.
Comments:
The Alarmist
Thursday - December 14th 2023 7:29AM MST
PS
I would posit that EMS lady, being a trained and sworn EMT, had a duty of care to assist the police and Mr. Floyd, that she failed to act, and was every bit as culpable, if not more, in the death of Mr. Floyd. She should be in the slammer.
I would posit that EMS lady, being a trained and sworn EMT, had a duty of care to assist the police and Mr. Floyd, that she failed to act, and was every bit as culpable, if not more, in the death of Mr. Floyd. She should be in the slammer.
Moderator
Thursday - December 14th 2023 6:27AM MST
PS: J1234, small correction - 240 lb is probably closer.
I agree with your last paragraph especially. The whole idea of reasonable doubt on the highest murder charges, was thrown out the window.
I agree with your last paragraph especially. The whole idea of reasonable doubt on the highest murder charges, was thrown out the window.
Moderator
Thursday - December 14th 2023 6:24AM MST
PS: Thanks for the comment, J1234.
"They were there to bother the cops." This off-duty EMS lady was taking video. Now, was it that she was worried Chauvin was about to kill the guy, or that he was being too brutal? Maybe the latter. Usually the cops/firemen/EMS people are all of that "First Responder" team - I'd figure they'd stick together. I don't blame someone for not - it's a good thing, in fact.
That this lady knew the area and could have helped in some way rather than standing there with the rest of the crowd pointing fingers is what I don't like. It shows she wanted to have this become a big story rather than helping out, she being a proud First Responder and all...
"... it's obvious that the onlookers didn't believe he was being murdered. They would've run the two blocks to the paramedics if they'd thought that." I have seen people that seem to think it's much more important to take video than to DO SOMETHING. Yes, though, if EMS lady cared she should have. She knew that the fire station was a couple of blocks away. Bypass the dispatcher... In her favor, she did try to talk to Chauvin, but not in a helpful manner, as I recall right now. He told her to stay away. If nothing else, use your phone as a, you know, phone, call 9-1-1, and make sure they get the location right.
"They were there to bother the cops." This off-duty EMS lady was taking video. Now, was it that she was worried Chauvin was about to kill the guy, or that he was being too brutal? Maybe the latter. Usually the cops/firemen/EMS people are all of that "First Responder" team - I'd figure they'd stick together. I don't blame someone for not - it's a good thing, in fact.
That this lady knew the area and could have helped in some way rather than standing there with the rest of the crowd pointing fingers is what I don't like. It shows she wanted to have this become a big story rather than helping out, she being a proud First Responder and all...
"... it's obvious that the onlookers didn't believe he was being murdered. They would've run the two blocks to the paramedics if they'd thought that." I have seen people that seem to think it's much more important to take video than to DO SOMETHING. Yes, though, if EMS lady cared she should have. She knew that the fire station was a couple of blocks away. Bypass the dispatcher... In her favor, she did try to talk to Chauvin, but not in a helpful manner, as I recall right now. He told her to stay away. If nothing else, use your phone as a, you know, phone, call 9-1-1, and make sure they get the location right.
J1234
Thursday - December 14th 2023 1:01AM MST
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"My question as the defense attorney x-examining this piece of work would have been 'If the fire station is only 2 blocks away, why didn't YOU run down there yourself to alert someone, since the dispatchers were having miscommunications with the firemen?' "
That's exactly what I was thinking as I listened to her testimony. The prosecutors and the activists want you to believe that G Floyd was being killed in a manner that was just as lethal as being shot in the head or being run down by a vehicle, but it's obvious that the onlookers didn't believe he was being murdered. They would've run the two blocks to the paramedics if they'd thought that.
They were there to bother the cops. They were trying to get the cops to stop hassling him. The guy was dying, but not because of anything the cops did (other than adding to his stress, which was exacerbating his life-threatening overdose.)
As I've said before, it comes down to a simple thought experiment: What would you rather have done to you - Have a 140 lb. guy kneel on your neck and back for 8+ minutes? Or be plied with enough fentanyl to have the same level of toxicity in your blood that G Floyd had when he died?
The choice would be obvious, and with the exception of those who are suicidal, almost everyone would make that obvious choice. That doesn't prove what killed G Floyd, but it's more than enough to give us reasonable doubt that Chauvin's actions killed his suspect, and reasonable doubt is all it takes for an acquittal. At least in a typical trial in a functioning free society.
"My question as the defense attorney x-examining this piece of work would have been 'If the fire station is only 2 blocks away, why didn't YOU run down there yourself to alert someone, since the dispatchers were having miscommunications with the firemen?' "
That's exactly what I was thinking as I listened to her testimony. The prosecutors and the activists want you to believe that G Floyd was being killed in a manner that was just as lethal as being shot in the head or being run down by a vehicle, but it's obvious that the onlookers didn't believe he was being murdered. They would've run the two blocks to the paramedics if they'd thought that.
They were there to bother the cops. They were trying to get the cops to stop hassling him. The guy was dying, but not because of anything the cops did (other than adding to his stress, which was exacerbating his life-threatening overdose.)
As I've said before, it comes down to a simple thought experiment: What would you rather have done to you - Have a 140 lb. guy kneel on your neck and back for 8+ minutes? Or be plied with enough fentanyl to have the same level of toxicity in your blood that G Floyd had when he died?
The choice would be obvious, and with the exception of those who are suicidal, almost everyone would make that obvious choice. That doesn't prove what killed G Floyd, but it's more than enough to give us reasonable doubt that Chauvin's actions killed his suspect, and reasonable doubt is all it takes for an acquittal. At least in a typical trial in a functioning free society.
"J1234, small correction - 240 lb is probably closer."
Achmed, I thought I'd read somewhere that Chauvin weighed 140 pounds at the time. Maybe I got it wrong. I know that I was surprised when I'd read that because he didn't look that light to me, so I could be mistaken. If I got it wrong, thanks for the correction.
"The whole idea of reasonable doubt on the highest murder charges, was thrown out the window."
And we shouldn't forget some other things that were thrown out the window:
- The idea that we can't trust our brains' emotional and simplistic rush to judgement or to establish causality, e.g. "A" caused "B" because of chronology (one preceded the other.) Because of the inherent flaws in this thinking, we've developed a methodical system for determining guilt or non-guilt (which includes:)
- Trial by an impartial jury (one that isn't swayed by hysteria or intimidated by the mob.)
- Separation of Powers. A member of the executive branch, such as a Mayor of Minneapolis, shouldn't publicly pronounce the guilt or innocence of a suspect or defendant before there's been a trial or even an investigation or indictment. The judicial branch determines guilt or non-guilt.