Trump v DeSantis: Round 9 - Ken Cuccinelli interview


Posted On: Wednesday - June 7th 2023 7:40PM MST
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To keep track of the rounds of on-again-off-again series on the Trump v DeSantis match, let me link here to: Round 1 - Personalities - - Round 2 - Immunity to Kung Flu Panic - - Round 3 - Immigration Invasion - - Round 4 - Tag Team? - - Addendum - David Cole article - - Round 5 - The Ukraine/Russia War(mongering) - - Round 6 - Quantity of Hatred Generated - - Round 7 - Richard Hanania Substack post and Round 8 - Birthright Citizenship.

Next, let me write again a big Thank You! to commenter Adam Smith for making the effort to enable the video embedding here. The video is on his own youtube channel. What is the name of your network, STV, ASTV, Adam? Whatever, this was a GREAT help! I'll expand more on what the trouble for me was in a postscript at the bottom.

This 22-minute-long video interview of one Ken Cuccinelli, former Motherland Security Director under Trump for almost 2 years, by a guy named Bill Mitchell, is an excellent source of informative opinion on the ways of Donald Trump v Ron DeSantis. There are a number of points that Mr. Cuccinelli made that cover the exact problems that Peak Stupidity, Ann Coulter, VDare (specifically on the Immigration issue, of course), and millions of other people have with Trump's way of attempting to get good things done.

Now, Ann Coulter herself talked to President Trump IN the White House and all, apparently multiple times. She's got a bit of a "woman scorned" attitude in her columns, but nothing she points out is off base, IMO. The big difference that I get out of the words from Ken Cuccinelli is that he was THERE, for 20 months, working for, with, or against Trump on behalf of Americans on the Immigration Invasion problem. He lays out the problems he saw with Donald Trump very well. This video is EXCELLENT!

I saw it first (before Mr. Smith's help) in a tweet embedded in VDare's Federale's Trump Or DeSantis? My Answer—DeSantis By A Mile. Mr. Federale has more to say than just direct excerpts and commentary, but I'll discuss that below. Please, PLEASE take the 22 minutes of your time.

Let me just add that Ken Cuccinelli is not someone I'd ever heard speak before. He was the Virginia Attorney General and a Gubernatorial candidate there and is well known in political circles, but then I don't watch the idiot plate. The interviewer, Bill Mitchell, is someone I'd never heard of. He did a great job letting Mr. Cuccinelli speak most of the time, and with that smile, you gotta like him - he comes across as a successful car salesman. I want to buy a car from this guy! (In fact, if you are reading, Mr. Mitchell, and you come across a decent 1990s Jeep Cherokee, write the year, milage, and your best offer in the comments.)



I won't point out the specific times on the video, because I hope you watched it all, but here's just what I've been saying about Trump for years!:

1) He hired important underlings whose ideas were against his and ours. Why would he expect them to help him? Mr. Cuccinelli started with "If you have a kind of anti-war agenda like Trump does, why do you make John Bolton the head of your National Security Council?" The others he mentioned were: Rex Tillerson, John Mattis, John Kelly, Rence Preibus, Christopher Ray, Mark Milley, and Anthony Fauci. He added that the list is a lot longer than that.

I note that much of that short list was guys associated with "defense". As I've mentioned before, there are no 9th Circuit Court judges blocking decisions of the Commander-in-Chief regarding military operation. If the guy won't obey, you get rid of him and let the others know that they will be next.

JarVanka was not mentioned, but then Mr. Cuccinelli probably didn't want to get personal, and they were not actually hired personnel. They should not have been near the White House except for during holidays. Trump could have put them up in a hotel, if he wasn't sure how long they were gonna be in Washington.

2) The petty dealings and tweeting Trump did, in public, rather than just firing people as on his old TV show, is something else that Ken Cuccinelli mentioned. We have too, most especially with regards to the travails with Jeff Sessions.

3) In one of his handful of times taking an active role in the interview, Bill Mitchell (with Mr. Cuccinelli agreeing) said that "both men have basically got the America First agenda at heart." True!

4) Mr. Cuccinelli had a great point here: Out of three portions of making and enforcing policy, 1) the preparation, 2) the decision making, and 3) the execution, Trump was good at (2), not so good at (1), and terrible at (3). Indeed.

The example he gave about DeSantis and Disney is a good one. "He keeps harping on The Mouse - fighting wokeness is not everything" and "He's gonna drive Disney out of Florida." is what I've read and heard. Guess what? That's called follow-through or persistence. Was Big Woke Mouse just gonna roll over dead after the first actions out of DeSantis? No, they fight back. You've got to keep fighting. Like a house cat, Trump would have already gotten distracted by a squirrel over there and let the Mouse go on with this woke agenda for the kids, no less!

5) Trump either never knew or was never willing to take on the Deep State. Per Mr. Cuccinelli, Trump never "crossed" Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell. Those two were and are, respectively, penultimate Swamp Creatures. (Hell, McConnell has already got the amphibian look down pat!)

Mr. Cuccinelli maintains that Trump is NOT anti-establishment, at least going by his actions as President. IMO, it's that he has too much respect for the Beltway "experts" in the Federal Shithole. He couldn't shake that.

6) This is about DeSantis in Florida rather than Trump, but one could extrapolate someone to the Feral Gov't level: DeSantis had a political strategy. He helped build up the GOP margins in the legislature. It's not like Trump couldn't do this - he was VERY GOOD at turning out to get those he favored elected or not, not - it was one of his strong points, and still is. DeSantis thought of the future, with a strategy that made things easier for him later - shades of Ronald Reagan, IMO.

7) As opposed to Trump, DeSantis has led in Florida under Constitutional principles. Trump has no principles. Mr. Cuccinelli didn't say that part - that's me. He did say that Trump was better at name-calling though.

8) On Covid-19, Ken Cuccinelli noted that most Governors followed the Trump administration's guidelines, telling them to shut down this and that. while (after a short spell) DeSantis let the State's businesses keep running.

9) It was Bill Mitchell bringing up this great point, one I've also discussed (if not on this blog, elsewhere): There was talk about election discrepancies long, long before the vote in November of '20. Trump talked about it. He didn't do ANYTHING about it during those 4 years. He's quite the procrastinator to wait for late on election night to worry about it!

10) Along with this point, Mr. Cuccinelli explained how President Trump could have gotten thousands of Americans in each State to become election officals and that kind of thing just by urging them at his rallies. I hadn't thought of that, but I had thought of the same idea regarding impeachment and recalling of judges. Trump would have been great at that! He could have even used twitter for this.

For every bad point about Trump, the corresponding better way of Ron DeSantis is described. With the exception of (5), (9), and (10), all of the explanation of Trump's failure is in the first 9 minutes. The rest is a few minute advertisement of Ken Cuccinelli's "Super" PAC (Political Action Committee), then DeSantis boosting and the Florida boosting that does along with it. (They even mentioned that "Make America Florida" slogan that I first saw there myself 2 months ago.)

No doubt these 2 gentlemen are biased towards Ron DeSantis. Mr. Cuccinelli is still young enough to want to hitch his wagon to an up-and-coming politician, while Bill Mitchell, well I don't know... they may both honestly see Mr. DeSantis as the best guy to, well they figure "fix the country", but to me, at least to fight for us.

Let me get back to Federale and his opinion on the match-up. It is kind of extraordinary to see VDare writers go head to head on an issue, even if in a very polite manner, as is the way in the VDare community. They are all still on the same page, having worked for 2 1/2 decades against the Immigration Invasion. In his post though, Federal rebuts a two-week-earlier article by Washington Watcher II, that said Ron DeSantis Looks Great On Paper. But Is He Really The Great America-First Hope?. Because we did not comment on that WWII post, the reader here may wonder about the bias of Peak Stupidity toward Governor DeSantis. Yeah, we are biased towards DeSantis. However, I may have included that post in some writing about these 2 Presidential contenders, but, honestly, there is so much else to write about that I didn't have a specific post in mind about it. Federale writes this regarding WWII's point of view with other point-by-point argument that I won't include:
My response: DeSantis is less likely to betray us than Trump—as his Administration’s largely failed immigration efforts showed.

During that time, I wrote repeatedly about Trump’s flip-flops and general incoherence on immigration. One day a policy would be announced and then the next day modified or withdrawn at the slightest criticism. At first, I blamed former Attorney General Jeff Sessions. But add the foolish appointments to most positions in the Department of Homeland Security, and Trump’s tolerating deliberate sabotage by his own officials, big and small. Example: He was on both sides of the H1-B visa issue during his campaign, to say nothing of the contretemps among advisers when he was president [Donald Trump flip-flops, then flips and flops more on H-1B visas, by Michele Ye Hee Lee, Washington Post, March 21, 2016].

Also questionable: Trump’s competence. Candidate Trump famously said he wanted a “Deportation Force” but apparently didn’t know that the country has a deportation force that is supposed to identify, arrest and deport illegal aliens. It’s called Immigration and Customs Enforcement [Donald Trump’s ‘Deportation Force,’ by Lawrence Downes, New York Times, November 11, 2015].

I believe DeSantis knows about it and will use it.
There's a lot more in this column by Federale that adds material to our 9th Round of Trump v DeSantis. One thing that VDare writers know more than anyone about is the immigration invasion rhetoric and actions out of these two.

This video may create many more DeSantis supporters. You know where Peak Stupidity stands on this subject, based on the topic key names alone.


PS: Federale's post had the whole tweet with this important video. First, I tried to find the same video on youtube, bitchute, and rumble. 30 minutes or more of searching over 2 frustrating shifts did not find it. OK, so it's not on there. It's in that tweet though. I found embedding the tweet easy enough to do - I tried that in an older post.

The thing is, I am taking a stand by just saying NO to embedding of tweets on Peak Stupidity. I don't want to be THAT guy. So, I played around by deleting certain parts of the html that came with the tweet embed. Nah, it doesn't work like that. I did see the twitter downloader site. I wasn't on a computer on which I could save the video to put on my server, but as Mr. Smith agreed with me on, doing this repeatedly would take up a lot of my space allotted by the hosting company. (Images are peanuts compared to video - the last ones I put on my server space were those short videos on the Covid~Zero nonsense in China - see Chinese Covid-testing Craziness - quarantining babies and the testing video - - The latest on the Covid-Zero Shanghai Shitshow - - Escape from Suzhou - the motion picture - - China LOCKDOWN Totalitarian fun - Video and Shanghai Congee Line and the Covid-Free Highway.)

Mr. Smith has his own YT channel, so his uploading of this video was a great help. (Yeah, I know, I could set up one - better yet on bitchute or rumble. My problems are a) laziness, but b) getting past that, privacy - I suppose if all they want is an email address, I can get myself another anonymous proton mail account for this.

Comments:
Moderator
Thursday - June 8th 2023 9:32PM MST
PS: Thank you for the background on Bill Mitchell, Mr. Hail. I do remember the commenter Tacitus2016 from The Unz Review. BTW, those comments were about a month or so before I started commenting there. I

'm going from memory, but I started putting posts on my blog just after Thanksgiving of '16. Then I went to the unz site within a month from then and realized I could comment there without giving out privacy-destroying info. My first comment was (of course!) a link to this site.
Hail
Thursday - June 8th 2023 7:58PM MST
PS

As several of the regular commenters here and also the esteemed-and-honorable Moderator have said that they have never heard of Bill Mitchell, let me add a few more words and a blast from 2016:

I will say that you probably have seen him or heard (of) him, at least indirectly, but that you don't remember the name because you don't make a habit of following "social media personalities." (This is a good thing.)

Bill Mitchell was a typical product of the 2015-16 Trump phenomenon. He was a social-media personality and excelled at building a social-media "audience" back somewhat before the scales really began to be heavily tipped against little-guys doing that.

(Scott Adams, who is a smart but odd man, is likewise one of these products of the 2015-16 MAGA movement. I mean Scott Adams the Commentator is a product of that. Adams was already beloved for his Dilbert comic back to the 1990s, of course. Bill Mitchell had to achieve something similar on his comic-less, positive-attitude, religious-like-faith-in-WhiteChristian-revival, used-car-salesman charm alone.)

I note that the first mention of the name "Bill Mitchell" on the Steve Sailer blog was in two successive comments on election night 2016, by commenter "Tacitus2016." I reproduce them here.

The first "Bill Mitchell" mention was early in the evening of election night. This was before there was a definite consensus that Trump had done surprisingly well. Bill Mitchell was rallying the faithful, as he had been doing over the previous year or more.

Here it is:

(quote from Tacitus2016, Nov. 9th, 2016, 9pm EST hour)
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"I’ve been following Bill Mitchell on Twitter the past 24 hours. The Baghdad Bob or Comical Ali of this election. The mainstream press is so dishonest and fraudulent. I’ll go down deluded in a bubble of my own choosing."

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(quote from Tacitus2016, Nov. 10th, 2016, 12am EST hour)
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"The man (Bill Mitchell) is a prophet! Regaining faith in my fellow human beings."

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https://www.unz.com/isteve/election-day-open-thread/#comment-1641089

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Bill Mitchell must have still been on the scene all through these years, but at some point he lost faith in Trump. I also assume his previous "reach" was seriously diminished by Big Tech containment.
Hail
Thursday - June 8th 2023 7:52PM MST
PS

See the previous Peak-Stupidity comment-box --

https://peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=2631

-- for some earlier comments on Bill Mitchell, the one-time Trump Guy who turned his talents towards the anti-Blompfer side.
Possumman
Thursday - June 8th 2023 2:29PM MST
PS Make America Florida--all there is to say on the matter
The Alarmist
Thursday - June 8th 2023 10:21AM MST
PS

You kind of made the point ... it’s the coast you only hear about when a hurricane hits around Apalachicola or points to the south of it.
The Alarmist
Thursday - June 8th 2023 10:14AM MST
PS

@Mr Smith, how about “At Least it’s Better Than Middle Georgia” or “Peach Cobbler?”

If you choose the latter, you might actually post a recipe video, since every housewife looking for a recipe is going to see your channel in their search results.
Adam Smith
Thursday - June 8th 2023 9:17AM MST
PS: Good afternoon, everyone,

Meant to post the Atlas book link from the Peak Stupidity Book Club handle, oh well...

Mr. Moderator, we've hit 28 on the view counter. Still don't know if only "full views" count or what exactly defines a "full view".(?) I guess I'll do a little experimenting later.

Never really thought about a name for my channel. (WKRP in Dahlonega?) (Not much of a channel since most everything I post is unlisted.)

Adam Smith
Thursday - June 8th 2023 8:50AM MST
PS: Good morning, everyone,

I know I've posted this before, but it seems like a fresh link is appropriate...

A Plague Upon Our House by Scott Atlas...
https://tinyurl.com/59srmpmk

M
Thursday - June 8th 2023 8:48AM MST
PS
So is DeSantis urging people to become election officers? Or is that lane now closed off?
Moderator
Thursday - June 8th 2023 8:23AM MST
PS: Perhaps I'm just seeing what I want to see, Alarmist. I'm still enthused after seeing this video. Which is the forgotten coast - north of Tampa to the Panhandle, or somewhere on the east side?

I made an edit for "JarVanka."
Moderator
Thursday - June 8th 2023 8:20AM MST
PS: SafeNow, that seems selfish and short-sighted, but then it also shows a healthy belief in Federalism, as in "we care about OUR State, and the rest of you can live with whatever cluster-fuck you voted in!" I like that, but I think the Feral Beast is pretty powerful. A serious Fed vs State conflict is what needs to happen. Florida is as good a place as any.

Ha, about the smiling Mr. Mitchell, it is a bit unnerving. Still, the words out of his mouth were very good. Maybe he's the male equivalent of a Lauren Southern, with her sudden cleavage displacement from video editing:

"Immigrant non-Assimilation in Germany and 2 more items"

https://www.peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=2272
Moderator
Thursday - June 8th 2023 8:05AM MST
PS. Dieter, I barely recall that part of Steve's writing on (9) - he writes a LOT, but I'll take your word for it. I mentioned that in a post today with Adam's video. (Let's see how many view it gets. I am under the impression from some testing a year or two back that only full views count - as in the whole 21-odd minutes. I'm not so sure on that though...)

I remember Scott Atlas from that time period too. This was a time when it was not only the bad preparation and execution, but the decision-making itself that Trump sucked at. He knew nothing of virology (he's not stupid, so he can understand the basics) so he would go with the winds, listening for way too long to Fauci. No matter what he was hearing, a principled man would have been always leaning toward no mandates from the Fed Gov.

The Deep State Neocons are perhaps the most entrenched, but with the right personnel in place, I see nothing that would have stopped CiC Trump from bringing the American military home. Orders are orders.

The Alarmist
Thursday - June 8th 2023 7:09AM MST
PS

I prefer the epithet ‘JarVanka,’ as they were indeed the Jar Jar Binks of the Trump galaxy.

They didn’t draw salaries as advisors, but don’t cry for them, for they pocketed as much as $150m per year in outside income, which screams of conflict of interest.

Mr. Trump was a great idea in 2016, but the poster-child of the Peter Principle in execution.
The Alarmist
Thursday - June 8th 2023 7:01AM MST
PS

I like De Santis as a governor, but I’ve seen too many pictures of him standing in front of Israeli flags. Sure, he does this to please his potential Jewish voters in the Gold and Treasure coasts, but what has he ever done to highlight the importance of actual Floridians in the Emerald, Forgotten, First, and Space coasts?

No, in a national office he would be another puppet of the Globalist World Order.
SafeNow
Thursday - June 8th 2023 12:00AM MST
PS
I found distracting Mitchell’s uniquely gigantic, constant, grin juxtaposed against Cuccinelli’s simultaneously discussing serious, worrying, complex, thought-provoking issues. Mr. Moderator, congrats, you tolerated this much better than I did. Anyway, DeSantis is just superb, as Cuccineli and Mr. M explain. I will add one thought. Is it possible that many Republican and Independent voters in Florida would vote against DeSantis, for the reason that they want to keep him as governor of Florida, reasoning that they would receive greater daily-life benefit than if he were the president?!

Dieter Kief
Wednesday - June 7th 2023 11:51PM MST
PS
Insighful and reasonable. Also short and dense. - So thx. to Adam and - - -you Mod. for the vid.
No. 9 is what Steve Sailer has been writing over and over again.

President Trump did have Dr. Scott Atlas on his Covid-team in the White House, one of the fiercest and most distinguished and articulate lockdown-critics. I have linked to his articles lots of times, here too. - See his book A Plague Upon Our House, which is about his - ten or so months in the White House. He reports no troubles with Donald Trump but lots of troubles with John Fauci and others.

John Bolten and Mitch McConnell turned against Trump during the 2020 election already, but even more so afterwards. This is creepy stuff.
NY Columbia-economics professor Jeffrey Sachs said in public and repeatedly in the last half year or so, that the same group of people was responsible for the Ukraine war - for more than a decade now. He mentions Victoria Newland, but also some of Trump's staff members.
Will all this add up and help to get Ron DeSantis a win over Donald Trump. - It does not look like that really, according to the polls, the betting-market etc. But of course: Nobody knows. Team DeSantis can only win against Trump, if they learn from him. Start with Matt Taibbi's 2020 election features.
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