Posted On: Friday - December 9th 2022 8:14AM MST
In Topics: Race/Genetics
This post is a continuation of It's not a lie if you believe it? from Tuesday. I'm adding more just because I'd meant this to be in the original post, and I thought it a pretty neat idea.
That last post gathered 30 comments - thank you all!. (Only 7 were mine.) The post discussed a can-do, hardworking, leader-type guy and family man with 4 White kids. Yet, surprisingly to me, at least, he has a job in which he places young folks into IT positions based proportionally race/sex-wise on their numbers in the community. In the comments, the discussion was about "who is this guy", along with whether I would try to disabuse him of his policy. (Can't do that.)
I am pretty sure this is not the only decent job this former Army Lieutenant Colonel could get, so I am positive he's a true believe in Nurture over Nature determining these people's abilities.* Possibly that's not really 100% Nurture and 0% Nature, but just that Nurture can beat Nature enough to develop all these young people into decent-enough IT workers. Thinking about the comments before, I could say that with a small group he COULD find matches he wants. However, that's not "scalable" (in IT terminology), AND he's really screwing over White Men, no matter what. I have no doubt there are a greater proportion of White Men who can do IT work well than the proportion of them in the area.
Now here comes the meta idea here, so hold on, Dieter: What is it that makes this competent White man believe in Nurture over Nature? Is it Nurture or Nature? There's been lots of writing along the lines of Evolutional Psychology that posits that the Europeans, especially NW europeans, and most especially the Scandanavians, have evolved to be less competitive with each other and more supportive of each other due to their development in very tough environments. That includes being extremely welcoming of other tribes often even at the expense of their own, something they had NOT evolved for in the abscence of those others. That would be his nature that is the cause for this guy's naive belief in Nurture over Nature.
OTOH, is it his own upbringing? I don't know, and I don't know him well enough to learn anything there. How about the nurturing of the US Army at the high level of Lieutenant Colonel? Yes, I believe that's more what this is about. It's easy to keep believing in a lie if there are no repurcussions because you're living off the US taxpayers' money... excepting if there's a serious war...
* Also, he as much as told me this.
Comments:
Moderator
Friday - December 9th 2022 8:55PM MST
PS: Thanks for the great comments, everyone. I was too jammed up most of the day to write back in - meant to write another short post too, but I'll have time tomorrow.
"If your baby's first words weren't "hello world" they will never learn to code. (Just sayin')" Haha, yes, I remember "hello world".
Mr. M, I think your theory of that layer of "army" wrapped around these people makes sense. Then, there are stories of the race problems in wartime though. I also have no experience with the military.
SafeNow, those twin studies are right in Steve Sailer's wheelhouse. He wrote a post about the separated triplets (I think on Long Island or somewhere like that) who were separated as babies. There was a movie about it, which I watched based on his recommendation.
"If your baby's first words weren't "hello world" they will never learn to code. (Just sayin')" Haha, yes, I remember "hello world".
Mr. M, I think your theory of that layer of "army" wrapped around these people makes sense. Then, there are stories of the race problems in wartime though. I also have no experience with the military.
SafeNow, those twin studies are right in Steve Sailer's wheelhouse. He wrote a post about the separated triplets (I think on Long Island or somewhere like that) who were separated as babies. There was a movie about it, which I watched based on his recommendation.
Punk Rock Army Brat
Friday - December 9th 2022 5:51PM MST
PS To an artificial mind all reality is virtual and the truth is rare in Lucifer's domain earth.
Having some YT's in tech instead of 100% Pajeets is a good idea.
Just look at what happened at the Twitverse.
Having some YT's in tech instead of 100% Pajeets is a good idea.
Just look at what happened at the Twitverse.
SafeNow
Friday - December 9th 2022 4:32PM MST
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The cleanest way to measure nature versus nurture: The studies of twins separated at birth and raised by birth parents versus adoptive parents. I posted a short summary and link elsewhere about two weeks ago. Basically, the result is that the adopted twin overwhelmingly follows the genetics of his birth parents, and the nurture provided by his adoptive parents has a minuscule effect.
The cleanest way to measure nature versus nurture: The studies of twins separated at birth and raised by birth parents versus adoptive parents. I posted a short summary and link elsewhere about two weeks ago. Basically, the result is that the adopted twin overwhelmingly follows the genetics of his birth parents, and the nurture provided by his adoptive parents has a minuscule effect.
The Alarmist
Friday - December 9th 2022 3:22PM MST
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I’ve spent way too much time sorting through “cheap” Indian-labour-produced “self-documenting” spaghetti-code in the past to trust any essential coding to Indians. I couldn’t even trust them to write decent SQL or even figure out Crystal Reports.
The magic payoff for your guy would be help White male recruits fleeing the military to take all the gay and tranny training they picked up courtesy of Uncle Lloyd and use it as camouflage and couple that with real coding skills to give them an edge over the actual gay male pseudo-coders being fired by the boatloads by big tech nowadays. They can think of thir dresses as American Kilts. As is the case with “Admiral” Levine, there’s need to have a Chopadickoffame just to pass.
I’ve spent way too much time sorting through “cheap” Indian-labour-produced “self-documenting” spaghetti-code in the past to trust any essential coding to Indians. I couldn’t even trust them to write decent SQL or even figure out Crystal Reports.
The magic payoff for your guy would be help White male recruits fleeing the military to take all the gay and tranny training they picked up courtesy of Uncle Lloyd and use it as camouflage and couple that with real coding skills to give them an edge over the actual gay male pseudo-coders being fired by the boatloads by big tech nowadays. They can think of thir dresses as American Kilts. As is the case with “Admiral” Levine, there’s need to have a Chopadickoffame just to pass.
Adam Smith
Friday - December 9th 2022 2:58PM MST
PS: Can Nurture beat Nature enough to develop all these young people into decent-enough IT workers?
If your baby's first words weren't "hello world" they will never learn to code. (Just sayin')
More seriously...
Learning to code will give these kids all the skillz they need to compete in a global economy with subcontinental Indians who make $9 an hour. Coding is great for the eyes and it’s so simple, anyone can do it!
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If your baby's first words weren't "hello world" they will never learn to code. (Just sayin')
More seriously...
Learning to code will give these kids all the skillz they need to compete in a global economy with subcontinental Indians who make $9 an hour. Coding is great for the eyes and it’s so simple, anyone can do it!
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MBlanc46
Friday - December 9th 2022 10:20AM MST
PS Most people most of the time believe what they’re told. We’ve been told by all authorities—educational, religious, corporate, governmental—for more than a century that human psychology (these days, it’s been expanded to anatomy, as well) is a blank slate. Therefore, most people believe it. That view fits well with a fundamental bit of American ideology, that anyone can be anything that he (and now, she) wants to be, if he (she) just works hard enough.
M
Friday - December 9th 2022 10:02AM MST
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No armed forces experience, so this is just from reading stuff.
My impression was that the Army was good at taking people from various cultures. After a while, they were all the same culture - Army.
I suspect it's more that Army gets overlaid as a new layer and the thickness of that layer varies. It also helps when the overall culture is all about assimilation, as opposed to flying your freak flag.
No armed forces experience, so this is just from reading stuff.
My impression was that the Army was good at taking people from various cultures. After a while, they were all the same culture - Army.
I suspect it's more that Army gets overlaid as a new layer and the thickness of that layer varies. It also helps when the overall culture is all about assimilation, as opposed to flying your freak flag.
Dieter Kief
Friday - December 9th 2022 9:55AM MST
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I forgot an s - its selected above not elected.
I forgot an s - its selected above not elected.
Dieter Kief
Friday - December 9th 2022 9:53AM MST
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Mod. - this man is clearly interesting.
As far as the evolution of the Nordics goes - this is the field of special expertise of the great Joseph Henrich and what he says in his fabulously insightful book about the
WEIRD Europeans is that they were elected for both: Trust and competition - what made them a world-historical specialty = WEIRD.
Next step: The paradoxical effect of their special cooperative AND competitive high trust weirdness is that they can't read the behavior of foreigners who are different from them. The blue eyed blindspot - that's how I put this one, which was increased by the widespread feminization that took place in Europe (this is what I'd add to Henrichs theory).
All in all, that's the social/biological dynamic in Jo Henrich's nutshell.
Trusty people can find a summary of Henrich's great book here - instead of studying the 700+ p. heavy weight tome:
Review in the Occidental Observer
The Egalitarian Individualism of HG Nordic Europeans and the Origins of WEIRD Whites: Chapter 3 of Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition – The Occidental Observer
Or a bit shorter, but also very well done by Razib Khan in the National Review
Book Review: ‘The WEIRDEST People in the World’ Audacious and Surprising | National Review
Mod. - this man is clearly interesting.
As far as the evolution of the Nordics goes - this is the field of special expertise of the great Joseph Henrich and what he says in his fabulously insightful book about the
WEIRD Europeans is that they were elected for both: Trust and competition - what made them a world-historical specialty = WEIRD.
Next step: The paradoxical effect of their special cooperative AND competitive high trust weirdness is that they can't read the behavior of foreigners who are different from them. The blue eyed blindspot - that's how I put this one, which was increased by the widespread feminization that took place in Europe (this is what I'd add to Henrichs theory).
All in all, that's the social/biological dynamic in Jo Henrich's nutshell.
Trusty people can find a summary of Henrich's great book here - instead of studying the 700+ p. heavy weight tome:
Review in the Occidental Observer
The Egalitarian Individualism of HG Nordic Europeans and the Origins of WEIRD Whites: Chapter 3 of Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition – The Occidental Observer
Or a bit shorter, but also very well done by Razib Khan in the National Review
Book Review: ‘The WEIRDEST People in the World’ Audacious and Surprising | National Review
The Alarmist
Friday - December 9th 2022 8:27AM MST
PS
The metaphysical truth is that there is the Good, the Beautiful, amd the True, and all else is a lie, believed or not.
The metaphysical truth is that there is the Good, the Beautiful, amd the True, and all else is a lie, believed or not.
It’s just Foo.Bar if your baby’s first words aren’t “Hello World.”